FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

We all know how pre-season polls/rankings are anything but scientific (especially an AA Team from a source I'm unfamiliar with) but I wonder how Kostelnik misses the cut since his backfield mate did (Wilson).  Interesting decision.  But as I said, "inexact science".

I thought the same thing when I saw Wilson make it.  Kostelnik had a monster year last year.

[section13raiderfan]

The problem with picking all stars and all americans is the pressure to "spread the love" and not give any one school too much recognition.  It is entirely possible for a team to have the most skilled player at a position and still be overlooked for all american because someone else has a couple of inches or pounds to their advantage. Perhaps someone looked at the tale of the tape and determined Kostelnik had less "potential" than someone else.  If they had only looked at the game tapes instead of the meauring tape they might have thought otherwise. Case in point...The Stagg Bowl....Pierre Garcon put on quite a show, but some believe Derek Stanley was the best reciever on the field. Go figure! Stanley now has his shot at proving his skills in the NFL. My hats off to him. I will still take Garcon over Stanley.

[reality check]

The problem with picking all stars and all americans is the pressure to "spread the love" and not give any one school too much recognition.  It is entirely possible for a team to have the most skilled player at a position and still be overlooked for all american because someone else has a couple of inches or pounds to their advantage. Perhaps someone looked at the tale of the tape and determined Kostelnik had less "potential" than someone else.

I know the point you're trying to make but the "tale of the tape" argument holds no weight in this comparison.  Kostelnik's 6'1" 198 looks a lot better than Wilson's 5'9" 170.  And Kostelnik's 7 sacks, 12.5 TFL's, 10 breakups, 5 INT's, 3 blocked kicks, 2 fumble recoveries and 60 tackles look better than Wilson's 18 breakups, 4 INT's, 1 fumble recovery and 53 stops.

This isn't a case of "spreading the love".  They picked the right team.  They just picked the wrong person.  It's one thing to miss a guy but when you pick the wrong guy in the same defensive backfield, you've fallen short.

Case in point...The Stagg Bowl....Pierre Garcon put on quite a show, but some believe Derek Stanley was the best reciever on the field. Go figure! Stanley now has his shot at proving his skills in the NFL. My hats off to him. I will still take Garcon over Stanley.

I don't know who outside of the Wisconsin state lines was saying Derek Stanley is the better prospect/player.  Stanley is indeed a burner but I'll be interested to see how his under 5'10" 175 lb frame holds up at the next level.  I'd take the equally speedy Garcon if for no other reason than his size and athleticism.  While Stanley got some media play on ESPN in both Stagg's, it was clear that Pierre Garcon was the "media darling" of the receivers.

I'm not knocking Stanley or Wilson.  I know they're great players.  They just don't (IMHO) quite stack up to the guys they are being compared to.

[NCC_alum62]

http://condraft.com/all-american-teams/div-iii.php

2008 Pre-Season D3 Consensus Draft Services All American Team

not that i am that familiar with it, but there are 4 E8ers on there.  Kramer and Fortune (SJF), Crea (wick) and Miller (AU)

From the E8 Page.  4 MTU players listed (Garcon & Kmic on the 1st team and Safran and Wilson on the 2nd team).

I think they messed up on the Dan Casper from Central College.  I think they meant Don Kasper from North Central College.  (There is no 6'3 280 OG named Dan Casper at Central College in Iowa) Unless there is more than one Central College

[raiderguy]

RC

Just to add my two cents worth. Don't forget Kostelnick also scored 4 TD's last year. That easily tips the scale in his direction over Wilson. I don't want to take anything away from Jonah either.....see below.

And while we are on the subject of Jonah Wilson .....he was the guy that blanketed Stanley in last years Stagg.  6 catches for 82 yards and no TD's so our best D-back wasn't even on their best receiver. Then if you go back to 2005 and Stanley's stats he had 7 catches for 99 yards and no TD's again. I hope the NFL has D-backs as good as the Raiders or Stanley may just catch a TD pass in the NFL.

By the way Pierre's numbers for the last two Staggs....8/116 yds and 2 TD's in '06 and 7/107 and 2 TD's in '05. Hmmmmm I think I know who was the best receiver on the field the last two Stagg Bowls.

[Pat Coleman]

Section13, Raiderguy: Who were the people that thought Stanley was the best receiver on the field in the past two Stagg Bowls anyway?

I think you're manufacturing conflict that doesn't exist.

[reality check]

NEWSFLASH
AP - It's a dark day in Smuckerville, err Orrville

Where's STOONK at when there's such big news to break on Smucker's own?

[runyr]

NEWSFLASH
AP - It's a dark day in Smuckerville, err Orrville

Where's STOONK at when there's such big news to break on Smucker's own?

rc,
You beat me to it.  I came to the board to do the same thing.  She sounds like a very creative person.   They even used one of her brand name creations in the movie, Old School.  Will Ferrell has that great line at the party relating what his wife has planned for his Saturday, "First we'll go to Bed, Bath and Beyond, then...."
RIP Lois Wyse, who will forever be remembered for helping put Smuckers and Orrville on the map.
"With a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good." 

[raiderguy]

Pat,

It is not so much that as all the Stanley hipe on draft day and beyond. Don't get me wrong, as a dyed in the wool D3 supporter I am pleased for the players who have been able to jump to the next level and succeed, even if they come from John Carroll or BW , and no Raiders have been able to stick so we hang our hat on Dom Capers for now. Stanley was out played and unfortunately (Just kidding) for Pierre he had to be teamed up with Nate Kmic and Greg Micheli or the MVP may have been his twice. I am sure he is not complaining. For now it is one for the other thumb in 2007.

Pierre will have his shot next year and probably has an excellant chance to be the first Raider to make it on the field in the NFL on a regular basis.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat,

It is not so much that as all the Stanley hipe on draft day and beyond.

I am sure that if your boy had actually been IN the draft, people would have talked about him.

[section13raiderfan]

Section13, Raiderguy: Who were the people that thought Stanley was the best receiver on the field in the past two Stagg Bowls anyway?

I think you're manufacturing conflict that doesn't exist.

Pat , I stayed in a motel in Salem where there were probably more WW backers than MUC fans. Breakfast talk was of each teams stregnths...of course neither had ANY weaknesses....and even some fans from Florida who backed the Raiders  thought Stanley had unusually good hands to go along with his footspeed. Their thougts were that Stanley was uncoverable. Garcon while good ,might be rendered less effective by a superior defensive scheme. Also whilst walking around the stadium before gametime I spoke to quite a few WW faithful. They were expecting great things from the receiving corps that day. Of course they backed their horses, wouldnt you?

Personally, I was more impressed that a certain tight end was behind some d-backs a few too many times. Thankfully the passes werent all that easy to catch!

I dont think its conflict at all. Wasnt meant to be anyways.

Oh and as for Wilson, wasnt he the one all over Stanley on that sideline route that Stanley caught after Wilson batted the ball and tried to force Stanley out of bounds before the catch? Great hands and concentration on Stanleys part. If thats the show WW fans saw all season from Stanley, I can see why they were so high on him. Wilson had a ball batted away in the endzone  later...so he got his shots in too.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, of COURSE Whitewater fans thought that way. Shocker!

But nobody else feels that way, truly. If you're that hard up for disrespect then you have problems.

[section13raiderfan]

From the OH NOOOOO dept.
OhioStater and GreenBay player now on the Broncos roster. Kenny Peterson suspended for failing his steroid test. Say it aint so!  And he was such a nice guy too!

[section13raiderfan]

Pat, we are all named HOMER on game days. I was amused that they couldnt admit their horse ran second. Thats not disrespect...thats love with blinders on.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, we are all named HOMER on game days. I was amused that they couldnt admit their horse ran second. Thats not disrespect...thats love with blinders on.

You never said anything about talking to anyone after the game, only before the game. That would be a different story, no, if true?