FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[frank uible]

The 2007-2008 Pro Football Weekly Pro Prospects Preview (an historically good early predictor of the forthcoming draft) lists Garcon as #74 among WRs.  There will be roughly 20-25 WRs go in the 2008 draft. Of course there will be opportunities for him to move upward (but downward as well) on this list during the regular season and post-season.

[theaprof]

If I wasn't so lazy I'd go to Ric's site and get the stats--but they might show me to be wrong, and I just couldn't admit to that!

From 2000-2006...

'00    89 penalties -  818 yards - 58.4 YPG
'01    87 penalties -  715 yards - 51.1 YPG
'02    92 penalties -  775 yards - 55.4 YPG
'03    65 penalties -  573 yards - 40.9 YPG
'04    77 penalties -  682 yards - 52.5 YPG
'05   115 penalties -  982 yards - 65.5 YPG
'06   132 penalties - 1303 yards - 86.9 YPG

Big jump in the last two years in both yardage and total penalties.  But then again, the most disciplined team on paper since 2000 didn't win the Stagg.  Grab some jersey, block in the back and encroach your way back to the Stagg Bowl boys.   

Thanks reality check for checking the reality of my suspicions--guess I was right after all (phew, glad I'm not embarrassed), at least about the last couple of years--Hmmmm, doesn't that increase coincide with the departure of a certain coach?

[Presto]

sorry to but in on the muc talk but this is the first time i've had a chance to post since the bw game this weekend.  i think the defense is well ahead of the offense and the strength of the team. the defense is very good the offense is inconsistent.  a win is a win and we didn't get this one last year.  sorry, back to your muc programming---

[JK]

I was only going to do this last week, but I started thinking about it and decided a weekly "power ranking" of the OAC wouldn't be a bad thing to stir up discussion.  All the big sports sites have power rankings for the NFL and college.  So, what the heck.  None of those guys see every game every week either, so I am at least as qualified as they to do this:

OAC Power rankings (Last week's ranking in parentheses):

1. (1) MUC- No big surprise.  Only surprise is that they actually might be BETTER than advertised.
2. (3) BW- I move them ahead of ONU this week based on the fact that they played a better team.
3. (2) ONU- Got a road win, but it was against Musky.  Musky actually led at one point.
4. (4T) CAP- Offense showed up, even without Alexander, which breaks the tie from last week.  Defense is yet to be scored on.  Still, it was Wilmington.
5. (4T) JCU- Beat Heidleberg, but not as convincingly as I thought they should.
6. (6) MAR- I still think they are the best of the bottom half of the conference, despite being 0-2.  Toughest two games to start the schedule of anyone.
7. (8 ) HEI- Hung around with JCU a bit, which moves them up.
8. (7) OTT- Getting beat by MUC is no surprise since everyone does, but they way they got blasted leaves some serious questions.  Weren't we about to anoint these guys as the next "up and coming" program in the OAC a few years ago?
9. (10) MUSK- Played ONU tough at home, which gets them out of the cellar for now.
10. (9) WIL- Absolutely miserable day against CAP.  Gave up 40 to a team without their biggest offensive weapon and got nothing on O.


Any thoughts with this week's rankings?

[kcreds]

JK: I thought your rankings were pretty much on target. 

[HScoach]

If I wasn't so lazy I'd go to Ric's site and get the stats--but they might show me to be wrong, and I just couldn't admit to that!

From 2000-2006...

'00    89 penalties -  818 yards - 58.4 YPG
'01    87 penalties -  715 yards - 51.1 YPG
'02    92 penalties -  775 yards - 55.4 YPG
'03    65 penalties -  573 yards - 40.9 YPG
'04    77 penalties -  682 yards - 52.5 YPG
'05   115 penalties -  982 yards - 65.5 YPG
'06   132 penalties - 1303 yards - 86.9 YPG

Big jump in the last two years in both yardage and total penalties.  But then again, the most disciplined team on paper since 2000 didn't win the Stagg.  Grab some jersey, block in the back and encroach your way back to the Stagg Bowl boys.   

Thanks reality check for checking the reality of my suspicions--guess I was right after all (phew, glad I'm not embarrassed), at least about the last couple of years--Hmmmm, doesn't that increase coincide with the departure of a certain coach?

Theaprof:  Monty's departure is exactly where I was going but you beat me to it.   I assume you're referring to the Monty in the "good cop" role?  However, I think I have a different approach to this than I expect you to have. 

I think we all can agree 2 things have drastically changed since Monty has left:
1.  the defense is much more aggresive and is constantly in attack mode
2.  the recruiting effort is bringing in more out of state kids, especially from FLA

The change in defensive strategy from read & react to attack definitely causes more penalties.  More pass interference, more face masks, more late hits, more off-sides are all more common with an attacking defense.  And hence, more likely the last 2 years.  If that's the reason, then I'm all for it.  I hate read & react defenses that play soft zone coverage and never blitz.

[HScoach]

Not sure if you guys ever stop by the CCIW page, but the one of the Wheaton Thunder players need our prayers:

I am an ex-Wheaton football player and recently got the update from one of the coaches on Zach Ullrich.  The preliminary diagnosis was that he suffered a hematoma on the brain (aka brain bleed), which is extremely serious and even life threatening.  It sounds like it was very serious for a while, but it looks like things have gotten better.  He has been responsive and the bleeding has stopped, which means he shouldn't require any surgery.  He isn't in the clear yet, so keep up your prayers, but things do look better.  The last thing I heard was that he was still in Barnes Jewish hospital in St. Louis.  This hospital is supposedly great at dealing with injuries like Zach's so I believe he is in great care.
That's all I know at the moment.  If I hear anything else I will let you guys know.  Just keep he and his family in your prayers.  As for his season, well that looks like it is pretty much over.

Thanks for the confirmation.  That is pretty much what I had heard via 3rd hand sources.  I didn't want to bug the coaches, so I figured I wait until information was more readily available on his condition.

This is consistent with what I had heard. I would add I heard the hit happened in the 1st quarter and he was checked regularly for concussion sypmtoms throughout first half as well as at halftime by doctor on the sidelines. He played one series in the 3rd quarter and collapsed on the sidelines. Because it was burst blood vessels it doesn't have the same sypmtoms of concussion.  Very scary.

[fredsdriveinn]

The 2007-2008 Pro Football Weekly Pro Prospects Preview (an historically good early predictor of the forthcoming draft) lists Garcon as #74 among WRs.  There will be roughly 20-25 WRs go in the 2008 draft. Of course there will be opportunities for him to move upward (but downward as well) on this list during the regular season and post-season.

The pre-season scouting report I saw rated Garcon #37 for Sr. WR's.  I certainly feel he is head and shoulders above Derek Stanley who was drafted in the 7th round last Spring.

[skunks_sidekick]

I remember the "gloom and doom" when Monty left.  I guess that prediction was totally ummm.......WACK!  I will take this attacking, run-stopping, smash mouth, intercepting, block punting defense now over ANYTHING Monty put out there in his tenure at Mount. 

There is absolutely no comparison.  Come on AProf!  Don't you remember those "who's going to have the ball last" games we seemed to be constantly playing during his time here??? 

Oh......and let's not forget a certain QB who did the duh duh da...duh duh da ESPN tune to the camera at the Stagg in 93.      

I think HSC hit the nail on the head.....more kids from different areas and backgrounds than ever before. 

Oh...and those JV's get beat on by the toughest, fastest, nastiest team in D-IIIduring practice....maybe it's just payback during their JV games?   

[skunks_sidekick]

Oh..and one more thing....Frank was very low on Mr. Stanley's chances in the NFL draft.  He is a man of reason, but not the all-knowing of all that is the NFL draft.   

[HScoach]

Oh......and let's not forget a certain QB who did the duh duh da...duh duh da ESPN tune to the camera at the Stagg in 93.      

No one talked more trash on the field than Jim Ballard!  Period.  The closest I saw was London Fletcher at JCU.  The difference in 1993 was that no one cared nor was looking at "little old Mount Union".  Now they're "big bad Mount Union" and everyone is looking for a reason to hate them.  Of which, there are plenty of reasons.  Namely 9 of them.

[theaprof]

I remember the "gloom and doom" when Monty left.  I guess that prediction was totally ummm.......WACK!  I will take this attacking, run-stopping, smash mouth, intercepting, block punting defense now over ANYTHING Monty put out there in his tenure at Mount. 

There is absolutely no comparison.  Come on AProf!  Don't you remember those "who's going to have the ball last" games we seemed to be constantly playing during his time here??? 

Oh......and let's not forget a certain QB who did the duh duh da...duh duh da ESPN tune to the camera at the Stagg in 93.      

I think HSC hit the nail on the head.....more kids from different areas and backgrounds than ever before. 

Oh...and those JV's get beat on by the toughest, fastest, nastiest team in D-IIIduring practice....maybe it's just payback during their JV games?   

I don't mind the penalties that come from being more aggressive to the ball, etc.  What I dislike are the personal fouls and showboating.

You get called for a questionable late hit-Okay--but if you smack the guy three yards out of bounds, or three seconds after the whistle, or pile drive him after an interception--that's not aggressive play--that's taking a cheap shot.  And, in my opinion, there is no excuse for a college player to be mouthing off (notice I said mouthing off, not questioning a call) to a ref--let the coaches know your beef and let them decide if it's worth a word with the ref.

I acknowledged in my earlier posts that there had been some showboats before--Ballard, Payne, Tyla, Black, just to name a few--but I don't think that posing, posturing, taunting moves have a place in DIII ball--and I don't think they should in any college sport.

I don't watch many pro sports for the same reason--I think that there should be more (I am going to mess up the spelling here) Ladamien Tomlinsons and fewer Tyrell Owens--the game would be much better for it, IMO.

And its thea prof, not the a prof

[usee]

Oh......and let's not forget a certain QB who did the duh duh da...duh duh da ESPN tune to the camera at the Stagg in 93.      

No one talked more trash on the field than Jim Ballard!  Period.  The closest I saw was London Fletcher at JCU.  The difference in 1993 was that no one cared nor was looking at "little old Mount Union".  Now they're "big bad Mount Union" and everyone is looking for a reason to hate them.  Of which, there are plenty of reasons.  Namely 9 of them.

as an outsider I couldn't agree more with this. Almost every team has someone who is a trash talker or places a target on their back because of antics. I would argue most teams have significantly more players like than MUC. Guys like Garcon get singled out first because he is incredibly talented and second because he plays for 9x National Champ MUC.

I think a team like MUC is held to a higher standard than most (and probably should be). But this stuff isn't any different than happens in every conference in the country on any given Saturday in my mind.

[HScoach]

I acknowledged in my earlier posts that there had been some showboats before--Ballard, Payne, Tyla, Black, just to name a few--but I don't think that posing, posturing, taunting moves have a place in DIII ball--and I don't think they should in any college sport.

I don't watch many pro sports for the same reason--I think that there should be more (I am going to mess up the spelling here) Ladamien Tomlinsons and fewer Tyrell Owens--the game would be much better for it, IMO.

I agree 100% with this!  I like aggressive.  I don't like unsportsmanlike.

[rscl70]

I don't mind the penalties that come from being more aggressive to the ball, etc.  What I dislike are the personal fouls and showboating.

You get called for a questionable late hit-Okay--but if you smack the guy three yards out of bounds, or three seconds after the whistle, or pile drive him after an interception--that's not aggressive play--that's taking a cheap shot.  And, in my opinion, there is no excuse for a college player to be mouthing off (notice I said mouthing off, not questioning a call) to a ref--let the coaches know your beef and let them decide if it's worth a word with the ref.

I acknowledged in my earlier posts that there had been some showboats before--Ballard, Payne, Tyla, Black, just to name a few--but I don't think that posing, posturing, taunting moves have a place in DIII ball--and I don't think they should in any college sport.

I don't watch many pro sports for the same reason--I think that there should be more (I am going to mess up the spelling here) Ladamien Tomlinsons and fewer Tyrell Owens--the game would be much better for it, IMO.

And its thea prof, not the a prof


[/quote]

+ karma.  Well said.