FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

toph,

its very dangerous to compare via stats..  doesn't give you the real story, IMO

Of the teams not Capital-BW-ONU-JCU-MUC.....what do you think needs to change at each institution to have a better product on the field?  Not obvious answers such as recruit better.  What do you guys think?

[reality check]

Yeah I appreciate kcreds attempt at being factual and statistical but Micheli has a higher efficiency rating, a better TD to INT ratio, a whopping 86% completion percentage to Assman's respectable 66% and only 60 or so fewer passing yards in half the playing time. 

Now I know Assman is averaging more total yards because of his rushing skills but since the rest of Capital's running game is obsolete, it's not an accurate comparison either.  If Micheli was the best runner on his team he'd have more rushing yards too.  There's a bit of a difference though between Nate Kmic and Ty parks (aka "who?").

Marty Assman is doing a terrific job filling the Rocky's orthopeodic shoes but he's definitely not going to be called the best offensive QB in the OAC now or at any time this season.

**thanks toph for the correction, I can't even figure out what I meant to type lol**

[reality check]

Does anyone from Capital know if the backup QB Bartholomew is any relation to Dan Bartholomew from a few years back?  I recall Dan being a great player in the Capital rebuilding process.

[tdubs]

Not that I know of. Dan only has a sister I think. Great guy....to bad he's partying it up down in Florida now.

[Toph]

Micheli has a higher efficiency rating, more passing yards, a better TD to INT ratio, a whopping 86% completion percentage to Assman's respectable 66% and only 60 or so fewer passing yards in half the playing time.  

That, RC, is one hell of a feat.  Having both more passing yards, and 60 or so fewer passing yards at the same time.  Micheli isn't just a great QB, he's Superman!  

[HScoach]

Marty Assman is doing a terrific job filling the Rocky's orthopeodic shoes but he's definitely not going to be called the best offensive QB in the OAC now or at any time this season.

Once again RC proves why he's a Post Patterns Legend.  Too bad 4u, Pimp, and others aren't around much anymore to teach the newbies.

[Blutarsky]

SaintsFAN:  my humble observations on "what does it take"??

--It takes a committed administration to develop a winning program.  That usually involves money for facilities, salaries, coaches, equipment, etc.  The ability to run a "first-class" operation.
--It takes stability on your coaching staff
--It takes the ability to recruit not only quality athletes, but quality young men.  The type that will remain in your institution for four years, play football, grow with the program, and graduate (and help to recruit their friends along the way).
--It takes your coaches to establish positive relationships with the high school coaches that they recruit from....the high school coaches know the quality athletes; and, if they like you, they will push your school to their athletes.
--The ability to know your recruiting needs.......by position, by class.
--An attractive campus that will instill excitement in recruits during visits.  However, the most important aspect of the visit is the relationship with the existing player(s) who hosts.  If a recruit feels that they "fit in", they are more inclined to enroll.
--The ability to create an attractive financial package....sometimes, it just ends up being a money issue.
--For some, it's the idea of when they can contribute as a player.  However, I'll never forget the head coach's line when our boy went through this..."Do you really want to go to a school where you're going to play as a freshman?"

Our son went through this process two years ago, and it boiled down to two things:  his perceived relationship with the players and the coaches.  He chose Mount Union.

[HScoach]

Using Kcreds ultra-revolutionary method of statistical analysis, I've come to the realization that Mount Union's defense is full of players that SUCK!  Want proof? 

Not a single one of their players ranks in the NCAA Top 50 in any of the following categories:
    interceptions
    total tackles
    solo tackles
    sacks
    tackles for loss 
    forced fumbles
    passes defensed

How in the world do they expect to win the OAC with a defense filled with crappy players?

[reality check]

Marty Assman is doing a terrific job filling the Rocky's orthopeodic shoes but he's definitely not going to be called the best offensive QB in the OAC now or at any time this season.

Once again RC proves why he's a Post Patterns Legend.  Too bad 4u, Pimp, and others aren't around much anymore to teach the newbies.

Does being called a Post Patterns Legend carry more or less prestige than winning a full season of Pick Em's?  I already know how highly past winners are thought of.  And can all that mystique and prestige actually sum up to be less than zero?  Because that's what I'm shooting for.

[reality check]

How in the world do they expect to win the OAC with a defense filled with crappy players?

Great analysis!  But here's a good question:

If you choose to just admit how bad the D is and take them off the field completely, allowing the opposing offense to run against air, how many games would the MUC offense still be able to outscore its opponents?

[fredsdriveinn]

The number one defense in the country...You would think I was talking about MUC but it is Capital.

And now for our viewing enjoyment....a dose of reality....

Mount Union's starting defense has yet to be scored upon this season. 

I'm sure Capital has a fine team with some outstanding individual performers but national statitistics can be skewed during the early part of the season because some teams (like MUC for example) play quite a few non-starters early in the season.  This means that team stats like "defense" can reflect the performance of 2nd, 3rd, 4th & in some cases 5th string players.

Personally, I enjoy stats....so Kreds please come back with natiional offensive and defensive leaders after weeks 8, 9 and 10.

I look forward to your report.

[kcreds]

Here is my source:

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/football/archive/2007-08/20070927.html

[kcreds]

I'm not going to spend a lot of time researching a lot of stats of other teams when my intentions is to give a Marietta perspective of their up and coming game. I'll leave the diggin into all the stats to you pros, which you never let me down.

[Toph]

Here is my source:

http://pioneers.marietta.edu/football/archive/2007-08/20070927.html

No one is disputing the source.  It's just that the numbers don't tell the story here.  Mount Union has had second and often third stringers in at almost every position before the first half was over in their three games so far.  Greg Micheli's numbers, when taken from that perspective, are Tecmo Bowl-esque.  Who completes 86% of his pass attempts over essentially 5+ quarters?  That's so ridiculous you'd assume Mount is playing area high school teams!  I know Mount's competition hasn't been the stiffest, but they're leading at the half by an average of 57-0.  Just think of how many points they've taken off the board.  When was the last time you saw a team inside their opponents 20 let the clock run down to end the half?  Terrance Morring has 11 carries for 166 yards!  He's Bo Jackson on Tecmo Super Bowl.

Here's hope for the rest of the OAC, though.  Mount is being outscored in the fourth quarter...14-6.  Keep it close, and you can finish them off.   

Oh, and my source...www.mtunionfootball.com   

[SaintsFAN]

Tdubs,

You have mail..or is it a personal message. 

As RC will surely agree....Roger Bacon is terrible    , I won't hold it against you though. 

HScoach,

Its amazing how Kehres does win year in and year out with such pathetic stats from his defense.   I was impressed by what MUC has accomplished over the past decade +, but to be honest....I'm now in awe.