FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[skunks_sidekick]

HOLD ON THERE SKIPPY!   

As much of an OAC homer as I am....I would still not make the bold statement that if all the OAC teams were in the play-offs every year it would be an all-OAC final.  I think teams like St. Johns, Whitewater, Linfield (although it looks like their national run may be over), MHB, and a few others would have something to say about that. 

It would be fun to see a "best of the best" match-up weekend between the OAC and WIAC.  Although, smacking Whitewater again would prove  

[bushman]

True ,BW probably has played Mt. closure over the last ten years. However, ONU has beaten Mt. just two years ago.   New coach new approach recent victory.  BW can not make that claim.  They have come close but no cigar. 

[Pat Coleman]

'99 to present Playoff History

40-9   OAC

12-10 WIAC

Which happens when one team wins that many national titles, you tend to win a lot of playoff games.

[HScoach]

True ,BW probably has played Mt. closure over the last ten years. However, ONU has beaten Mt. just two years ago.   New coach new approach recent victory.  BW can not make that claim.  They have come close but no cigar. 

Sounds like Whitewater is just like BW.  A solid team that played MUC tough, but nothing else .  At least ONU has a win.  And at MUC no less.

When was the last WIAC victory over MUC?  1995?

When was the last OAC victoty over MUC?  2005?

And I don't buy the argument about the top of the WIAC getting closer to the top of the OAC either.  If anything else, it's getting worse.  05 and 06 WWW was the first undefeated WIAC champion in how many years?  A bunch.  Which to me means they've separated themselves from the rest of the conference the last couple years.  Whereas in previous years, the rest of the WIAC wasn't that much worse than the champ.  By contrast, the  OAC champion (MUC) lost in the OAC (05 to ONU) and/or barely survived against an OAC opponent (3 point wins against Cap in 05 and 06).   Which points to the OAC being more competitive at the top. 

Now, the clear cut WIAC champion (Whitewater) gets beat twice by an OAC champion (MUC) that didn't cake walk thru the league?   Sounds like the exact role reversal from previous perception.

No doubt the bottom of the conferences are at a much different talent level.  But at the top, in most years I'd put the top 5 OAC teams against the top 5 of any other conference and bet my house the OAC would go 4-1 or better.  Obviously this doesn't hold every year, but over the last decade plus, I like my chances with an OAC vs Anyone challenge.

[HScoach]

It would be fun to see a "best of the best" match-up weekend between the OAC and WIAC.  Although, smacking Whitewater again would prove  

Might not prove anything we don't already know, but it sure would be fun.

[Pat Coleman]

When was the last WIAC victory over MUC?  1995?

When was the last OAC victoty over MUC?  2005?

Holy misleading statistics, batman! The OAC gets nine shots at MUC a year!

Let's try this on for size:
Number of WIAC victories over MUC since 1994: 1
Number of OAC victories over MUC since 1994: 1

[reality check]

When was the last WIAC victory over MUC?  1995?

When was the last OAC victoty over MUC?  2005?

Holy misleading statistics, batman! The OAC gets nine shots at MUC a year!

Let's try this on for size:
Number of WIAC victories over MUC since 1994: 1
Number of OAC victories over MUC since 1994: 1

BW in 1994
ONU in 2005

I count two.

And we can take out the MUC contribution since 1999 to the OAC's playoff records and the WIAC's 12-10 mark still looks medicore compared to the OAC's 16-6.

Since 1999

MUC: 24-3 in playoffs
OAC at large teams: 16-6 in playoffs (16-1 vs. anyone not named Mount)
WIAC: 12-10

Hmm....

[BB]

Easterbrook is at it again:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071002&sportCat=nfl


Obscure College Score of the Week No. 2: Mount Union 62, Heidelberg 3. Located in Alliance, Ohio, Mount Union -- the defending D-III champion -- is the scourge of small college football, a program dedicated to running up the score. In Division III, some schools emphasize sports and some don't: Mount Union strongly emphasizes football, then schedules schools that do not emphasize football to ensure blowout win after blowout win. So far this season, Mount Union has won by finals of 75-7, 58-14, 62-0 and 62-3. On Saturday versus hapless Heidelberg, Mount Union kept its starting quarterback on the field until the margin was 49-3, although the Purple Raiders did attempt a field goal on first-and-goal in the fourth quarter rather than run for the likely touchdown. Once Mount Union reaches the D-III playoffs, it faces other schools that likewise emphasize football and its scores fall back into the normal range. Maybe it would be enjoyable to play for a team that always won by runaway margins, but where is the sportsmanship in a regular-season schedule of opponents with little or no chance of winning? Mount Union also has six home games versus four road dates, a sure sign of a manipulated schedule.

[Pat Coleman]

"Since 1994" doesn't include 1994.

[Pat Coleman]

TMQ_ESPN@yahoo.com is the e-mail address listed for Easterbrook. Suggest sending well-worded e-mails in response.

[fredsdriveinn]

Reality Check is right on the money.  This stat talks more about overall conference strength then any other. 

MUC: 24-3 in playoffs
OAC at large teams: 16-6 in playoffs (16-1 vs. anyone not named Mount)
WIAC: 12-10


It's worth repeating...the OAC is 16-1 in the playoffs versus anyone other then Mount Union. Wow!

[Pat Coleman]

We're aware.

Opponents:
Hanover (league is 1-8 in the playoffs)
Wittenberg (league is 10-9)
Millikin (league is 11-11)
Hobart (league is 7-11 in the East)
Muhlenberg (league is 4-9 in the East and South)
Brockport State (independents are 5-7)
Hanover again (still 1-8)
North Central (league 11-11)
Wabash (league 10-9)
Wittenberg again (10-9)
North Central again (11-11)

Some of these wins are pretty good but there's a lot of gimmes here.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Reality Check is right on the money.  This stat talks more about overall conference strength then any other. 

MUC: 24-3 in playoffs
OAC at large teams: 16-6 in playoffs (16-1 vs. anyone not named Mount)
WIAC: 12-10


It's worth repeating...the OAC is 16-1 in the playoffs versus anyone other then Mount Union. Wow!

But that comparison, too, is somewhat misleading.  Nearly all those playoff games were against teams in different regions.  Aside from the CCIW, the region the OAC plays in is painfully weak (the CCIW is 10-0 against everyone not in the OAC, 1-11 against the OAC).  The WIAC has encountered much tougher opposition over that period (including St. Johns, Linfield, etc.).

[reality check]

Again I have erred.

The OAC At-Large teams are 11-6,  I subtracted from MUC's performance to get my number but failed to count MUC's 5 wins over OAC teams in the playoffs.

So the OAC at-large teams are still doing better but not as good as my initial post.

Ship an OAC Pool C west and a WIAC Pool C North.  It would be a great experiment nonetheless.

[HScoach]

Holy misleading statistics, batman!

Since when can't misleading FACTS be used in an internet argument?