FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

As long as you expect to be called on it.

[HScoach]

Hey, at least I'm using facts to back up my position.  That's more than most do in here. 

FWIW, I still stick by my opinion that the top of the OAC is better than the top of any other conference.  WIAC included!

[Pat Coleman]

FWIW, I never disagreed with that assessment. I only said that the gap isn't as wide as it used to be.

[Mr. Ypsi]

FWIW (since I chimed in chastising the misleading comparisons) I don't disagree that the top of the OAC is paramount, either.  As to whether the gap between the top of the OAC and WIAC is narrowing or not, I'll defer to those who have followed the scene longer than I. 

But, hscoach, you made a point of claiming the gap may be getting wider, using as evidence that WW had been undefeated in the WIAC two straight years.  May it please the court: MUC has been undefeated in the OAC 11 of the last 12 years!   Your fact was indeed a fact, but, in context, it may not help your argument!

[MUCALUM05]

E-mail sent to the guy who wrote the bogus ESPN column about MUC running up the score...

Mr. Easterbook,

My name is Brandon Stewart and I am a 2005 graduate of Mount Union College. I was the radio play-by-play guy for our campus radio station for 3 years for the football team. I have to disagree with your point about Mount Union running up the score on opponents. Here is why...

First, the score at the half of the game against Heidelberg was 35-3 at halftime. Heidelberg is now coached by an MUC grad, and they recentley won their first game in four years to start this season. It is a team that is improved, not saying they were going to come back, but Mount Union also plays undefeated Ohio Northern, a team who beat them two seasons ago, on the road next week and did not want the starters to not be up for that game by resting too much last week. Also, late in the game, Mount Union had plenty of chances to score again from inside the five yard line and opted to kick field goals on three occasions that would have been no doubt touchdowns. That is taking nine points instead of 21 points, how is that running up the score?

Going back to week one, Mount Union scored 52 points in the first quarter. The first play from scrimmage was a run straight up the middle that the defense did not stop and it went for a 65 yard touchdown run. They scored 52 in the first, and 75 for the game... You have to look at that in prespective and see how bad it COULD have been if MUC was really running up the score.

I have watched Mount Union games in which the score has been even closer, and they have opted not to score, so much to the point where guys run out of bounds when there is no defender in site. I think you  are looking at just the number on the scoreboard and while that may be lopsided you need to take a deeper look into the numbers and look at what COULD have been if they were really running up the score.

It is pretty sad that the only national attention MUC gets is for supposedly running up the score. Forget the 55 and 54 game winning streaks, the nine national titles, and currently the second longest winning streak in all of college football.

[HScoach]

FWIW (since I chimed in chastising the misleading comparisons) I don't disagree that the top of the OAC is paramount, either.  As to whether the gap between the top of the OAC and WIAC is narrowing or not, I'll defer to those who have followed the scene longer than I. 

But, hscoach, you made a point of claiming the gap may be getting wider, using as evidence that WW had been undefeated in the WIAC two straight years.  May it please the court: MUC has been undefeated in the OAC 11 of the last 12 years!   Your fact was indeed a fact, but, in context, it may not help your argument!

No, it doesn't please the court! 

You're correct in MUC being undefeated 11 of 12, but the most recent trend is more competitive in the OAC than the distant past.  The WIAC used to beat the crap out of one another and produce a champ that was often 9-1 or 8-2. But the most recent trend is 10-0 Whitewater.  So the court still stands by the contention that the gap is widening.

[jscwittfan]

Good email, MUCALUM - +k for you.  Having dedicated my four years at Wittenberg to helping out the athletic department in every way possible and meeting a lot of great people across Division III, it is a shame to see ESPN constantly take shots at DIII.  They complain about MUC's scheduling, but where is the cry for the non-conference cupcakes that most DI schools schedule?  It's good that we have places like the d3sports sites to get our REAL DIII news and insights.

[Pat Coleman]

FWIW (since I chimed in chastising the misleading comparisons) I don't disagree that the top of the OAC is paramount, either.  As to whether the gap between the top of the OAC and WIAC is narrowing or not, I'll defer to those who have followed the scene longer than I. 

But, hscoach, you made a point of claiming the gap may be getting wider, using as evidence that WW had been undefeated in the WIAC two straight years.  May it please the court: MUC has been undefeated in the OAC 11 of the last 12 years!   Your fact was indeed a fact, but, in context, it may not help your argument!

No, it doesn't please the court! 

You're correct in MUC being undefeated 11 of 12, but the most recent trend is more competitive in the OAC than the distant past.  The WIAC used to beat the crap out of one another and produce a champ that was often 9-1 or 8-2. But the most recent trend is 10-0 Whitewater.  So the court still stands by the contention that the gap is widening.

You keep proving that the WIAC leader is getting further ahead of the WIAC third and fourth place teams (not going to buy it over the runner-up this year and last year). That doesn't mean that the WIAC top is further from the OAC top. Why can't that mean that the WIAC top team is simply getting better?

[Ric]

This OAC - WIAC debate is giving me a headache.  I think the OAC is better at the top but the WIAC is more physical if that makes sense.  I know one player told me the most physical team he faced was the '96 La Crosse team and Mount won that game.  Another told me the most phsycal team he faced in '03 was La Crosse.  Anyway, whatever that is worth.

As for the idiot making uninformed comments.  Lets not give him the mention he doesn't desire.  The guy's an idiot, plain and simple.  I come here so I don't have to read his crap.  Let's keep it that way.

[usee]

Reality Check is right on the money.  This stat talks more about overall conference strength then any other. 

MUC: 24-3 in playoffs
OAC at large teams: 16-6 in playoffs (16-1 vs. anyone not named Mount)
WIAC: 12-10


It's worth repeating...the OAC is 16-1 in the playoffs versus anyone other then Mount Union. Wow!

Please forgive me for pointing out that Wheaton is 1-0 in the playoffs vs anyone from the OAC not named Mount Union. 

They are actually 6-0 lifetime in the playoffs vs anyone not named Mount Union.  8)

[usee]

As for the idiot making uninformed comments.  Lets not give him the mention he doesn't desire.  The guy's an idiot, plain and simple.  I come here so I don't have to read his crap.  Let's keep it that way.

Ric,

take it easy on HSCoach. He is doing his best. 

[reality check]

Reality Check is right on the money.  This stat talks more about overall conference strength then any other. 

MUC: 24-3 in playoffs
OAC at large teams: 16-6 in playoffs (16-1 vs. anyone not named Mount)
WIAC: 12-10


It's worth repeating...the OAC is 16-1 in the playoffs versus anyone other then Mount Union. Wow!

Please forgive me for pointing out that Wheaton is 1-0 in the playoffs vs anyone from the OAC not named Mount Union. 

They are actually 6-0 lifetime in the playoffs vs anyone not named Mount Union.  8)

Yes and we almost traded BW to the NCAC as a result of their performance.  We were considering taking Hiram back because they're is absolutely no way they lose in the playoffs because there's no way they'll be in the playoffs.  Not only do the Jackets have rotten uniforms, they're playoff record is the "rotten banana" of the OAC. 

But the bottom line is that a lot of teams' records get better in a hurry when they don't play Mount Union.  Whodathunkit?!?

[bushman]

Let's put Mt. in its own division.  We'll call it III-A.  Now the stats can show only div. wins  and losses.  Mt. games will be out of div. for the rest of div. III.

[HScoach]

As for the idiot making uninformed comments.  Lets not give him the mention he doesn't desire.  The guy's an idiot, plain and simple.  I come here so I don't have to read his crap.  Let's keep it that way.

Bring your walking shoes on Saturday.  It's going to be LONG walk home from Ada.

[2minuteO]

Ric,

One Question?

How can you base your information off of a few people who played?

Sorry I have actually another question

Did you play? If no then maybe your comments are better off being kept to yourself

Please allow those who have played to comment on the physicallity of a team