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Union89

I generally hate to answer a questions with a question but is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson?  While he seems beter than the average DIII RB, he doesn't appear to be as good as Robinson was in 2006.  

Donovan averages 108 a game and 5.3 a carry.  Robinson came into that game in 2006 averaging 112 a game and 6.0 a carry.  His averages were better than most agains the Raiders but 3.9 per carry for (39 yards on one carry by the way) 110 is still below his normal output.

Mount gave up 4 rushing TD's on the season last year and 1 of them was to Robinson.  The 2006 MUC defense gave up 30.0 rushing yards a game.  

The 2007 unit has surrendered 1 rushing TD so far and is giving up 12.2 rushing yards a game.  

I know games aren't won on paper but the paper says a less talented back is playing a more talented defense than the scenario with Robinson and MUC last year.  So you tell me who that favors.  I hope I'm wrong and Donovan gives those Raiders a game on Saturday.  But in the end, GO OAC!!!

108 per game versus 112 per game is a huge difference??

I know you guys from MUC understand football alot better than us Easterners, but explain to me how 4 yards is such a huge difference.....

Also, maybe the Ithaca guys can help me with this one, but I believe Donovan shares carries with Baez....for the most part, Robinson carried the mail by himself.

[Jonny Utah]

How is the playoff roster numbers going to effect both teams special teams units?  Im sure some guys are going to have to be replaced on each unit?

Mount's special teams will just get better.  If for no other reason than the staff knows all too well about trimming down playoff rosters (moreso than less seasoned playoff participants) and will have their special teamers prepared and filled out with the best guys for the job.  If probably has potential to hurt many playoff teams adjusting to playoff roster size but in this case, it probable makes MUC even better than before.  Scary.

Yea Im not sure I would believe that though.  Special teams has a lot to do with technique, reps, and more reps.  Dont know how many starters either team has on special teams now, but I would think new starters on special teams would help maybe only the kickoff team?  Not easy to teach a punt team or XP wings how to block in one week.

Or should I assume that MUC already has a plan for this?  What have they done in the past?

[Jonny Utah]

Union89

I generally hate to answer a questions with a question but is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson?  While he seems beter than the average DIII RB, he doesn't appear to be as good as Robinson was in 2006.  

Donovan averages 108 a game and 5.3 a carry.  Robinson came into that game in 2006 averaging 112 a game and 6.0 a carry.  His averages were better than most agains the Raiders but 3.9 per carry for (39 yards on one carry by the way) 110 is still below his normal output.

Mount gave up 4 rushing TD's on the season last year and 1 of them was to Robinson.  The 2006 MUC defense gave up 30.0 rushing yards a game.  

The 2007 unit has surrendered 1 rushing TD so far and is giving up 12.2 rushing yards a game.  

I know games aren't won on paper but the paper says a less talented back is playing a more talented defense than the scenario with Robinson and MUC last year.  So you tell me who that favors.  I hope I'm wrong and Donovan gives those Raiders a game on Saturday.  But in the end, GO OAC!!!

108 per game versus 112 per game is a huge difference??

I know you guys from MUC understand football alot better than us Easterners, but explain to me how 4 yards is such a huge difference.....

Also, maybe the Ithaca guys can help me with this one, but I believe Donovan shares carries with Baez....for the most part, Robinson carried the mail by himself.

U89,

Ive seen a bunch of IC games and Baez sometimes is a better matchup against certain teams.  Donovan doesnt really need a hole to run.  He can take a hit and keep going forward.  But he wont always score or hit that big run when he does find the hole.  It seems that Baez is faster and if he find a hole right away, he is gone.  Baez is a much smaller back though and might not handle a closed hole as well as Donovan can.

[union89]

I have not predicted an Ithaca win, but you guys give the impression that Ithaca can not provide opposition to MUC....look no farther than '06....Fisher played with you!!!

[Tags]

How is the playoff roster numbers going to effect both teams special teams units?  Im sure some guys are going to have to be replaced on each unit?

Mount's special teams will just get better.  If for no other reason than the staff knows all too well about trimming down playoff rosters (moreso than less seasoned playoff participants) and will have their special teamers prepared and filled out with the best guys for the job.  If probably has potential to hurt many playoff teams adjusting to playoff roster size but in this case, it probable makes MUC even better than before.  Scary.

Yea Im not sure I would believe that though.  Special teams has a lot to do with technique, reps, and more reps.  Dont know how many starters either team has on special teams now, but I would think new starters on special teams would help maybe only the kickoff team?  Not easy to teach a punt team or XP wings how to block in one week.

Or should I assume that MUC already has a plan for this?  What have they done in the past?

JU are you kidding me, it's MUC --- they do what they want!

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Union89

I generally hate to answer a questions with a question but is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson?  While he seems beter than the average DIII RB, he doesn't appear to be as good as Robinson was in 2006.  

Donovan averages 108 a game and 5.3 a carry.  Robinson came into that game in 2006 averaging 112 a game and 6.0 a carry.  His averages were better than most agains the Raiders but 3.9 per carry for (39 yards on one carry by the way) 110 is still below his normal output.

Mount gave up 4 rushing TD's on the season last year and 1 of them was to Robinson.  The 2006 MUC defense gave up 30.0 rushing yards a game.  

The 2007 unit has surrendered 1 rushing TD so far and is giving up 12.2 rushing yards a game.  

I know games aren't won on paper but the paper says a less talented back is playing a more talented defense than the scenario with Robinson and MUC last year.  So you tell me who that favors.  I hope I'm wrong and Donovan gives those Raiders a game on Saturday.  But in the end, GO OAC!!!

108 per game versus 112 per game is a huge difference??

I know you guys from MUC understand football alot better than us Easterners, but explain to me how 4 yards is such a huge difference.....

Also, maybe the Ithaca guys can help me with this one, but I believe Donovan shares carries with Baez....for the most part, Robinson carried the mail by himself.

Donovan is nowhere near Robby, not even close.

And Robby shared carries w/ Reile last year during the regular season.

... the premise remains though --- the East will show up, and the Bombers will put up a solid fight.

[union89]

Union89

I generally hate to answer a questions with a question but is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson?  While he seems beter than the average DIII RB, he doesn't appear to be as good as Robinson was in 2006.  

Donovan averages 108 a game and 5.3 a carry.  Robinson came into that game in 2006 averaging 112 a game and 6.0 a carry.  His averages were better than most agains the Raiders but 3.9 per carry for (39 yards on one carry by the way) 110 is still below his normal output.

Mount gave up 4 rushing TD's on the season last year and 1 of them was to Robinson.  The 2006 MUC defense gave up 30.0 rushing yards a game.  

The 2007 unit has surrendered 1 rushing TD so far and is giving up 12.2 rushing yards a game.  

I know games aren't won on paper but the paper says a less talented back is playing a more talented defense than the scenario with Robinson and MUC last year.  So you tell me who that favors.  I hope I'm wrong and Donovan gives those Raiders a game on Saturday.  But in the end, GO OAC!!!

108 per game versus 112 per game is a huge difference??

I know you guys from MUC understand football alot better than us Easterners, but explain to me how 4 yards is such a huge difference.....

Also, maybe the Ithaca guys can help me with this one, but I believe Donovan shares carries with Baez....for the most part, Robinson carried the mail by himself.

U89,

Ive seen a bunch of IC games and Baez sometimes is a better matchup against certain teams.  Donovan doesnt really need a hole to run.  He can take a hit and keep going forward.  But he wont always score or hit that big run when he does find the hole.  It seems that Baez is faster and if he find a hole right away, he is gone.  Baez is a much smaller back though and might not handle a closed hole as well as Donovan can.

Utah, my point being....Donovan splits carries and still averages 108 per game while Robinson averaged 112 with all the carries....I like Ithaca's chances with a two back system rather than 1 guy taking all the hits.

[Jonny Utah]

Union89

I generally hate to answer a questions with a question but is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson?  While he seems beter than the average DIII RB, he doesn't appear to be as good as Robinson was in 2006.  

Donovan averages 108 a game and 5.3 a carry.  Robinson came into that game in 2006 averaging 112 a game and 6.0 a carry.  His averages were better than most agains the Raiders but 3.9 per carry for (39 yards on one carry by the way) 110 is still below his normal output.

Mount gave up 4 rushing TD's on the season last year and 1 of them was to Robinson.  The 2006 MUC defense gave up 30.0 rushing yards a game.  

The 2007 unit has surrendered 1 rushing TD so far and is giving up 12.2 rushing yards a game.  

I know games aren't won on paper but the paper says a less talented back is playing a more talented defense than the scenario with Robinson and MUC last year.  So you tell me who that favors.  I hope I'm wrong and Donovan gives those Raiders a game on Saturday.  But in the end, GO OAC!!!

108 per game versus 112 per game is a huge difference??

I know you guys from MUC understand football alot better than us Easterners, but explain to me how 4 yards is such a huge difference.....

Also, maybe the Ithaca guys can help me with this one, but I believe Donovan shares carries with Baez....for the most part, Robinson carried the mail by himself.

U89,

Ive seen a bunch of IC games and Baez sometimes is a better matchup against certain teams.  Donovan doesnt really need a hole to run.  He can take a hit and keep going forward.  But he wont always score or hit that big run when he does find the hole.  It seems that Baez is faster and if he find a hole right away, he is gone.  Baez is a much smaller back though and might not handle a closed hole as well as Donovan can.

Utah, my point being....Donovan splits carries and still averages 108 per game while Robinson averaged 112 with all the carries....I like Ithaca's chances with a two back system rather than 1 guy taking all the hits.

Yea SJF did have Reile though too.  (their RB this year)

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Union89

I generally hate to answer a questions with a question but is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson?  While he seems beter than the average DIII RB, he doesn't appear to be as good as Robinson was in 2006.  

Donovan averages 108 a game and 5.3 a carry.  Robinson came into that game in 2006 averaging 112 a game and 6.0 a carry.  His averages were better than most agains the Raiders but 3.9 per carry for (39 yards on one carry by the way) 110 is still below his normal output.

Mount gave up 4 rushing TD's on the season last year and 1 of them was to Robinson.  The 2006 MUC defense gave up 30.0 rushing yards a game.  

The 2007 unit has surrendered 1 rushing TD so far and is giving up 12.2 rushing yards a game.  

I know games aren't won on paper but the paper says a less talented back is playing a more talented defense than the scenario with Robinson and MUC last year.  So you tell me who that favors.  I hope I'm wrong and Donovan gives those Raiders a game on Saturday.  But in the end, GO OAC!!!

108 per game versus 112 per game is a huge difference??

I know you guys from MUC understand football alot better than us Easterners, but explain to me how 4 yards is such a huge difference.....

Also, maybe the Ithaca guys can help me with this one, but I believe Donovan shares carries with Baez....for the most part, Robinson carried the mail by himself.

U89,

Ive seen a bunch of IC games and Baez sometimes is a better matchup against certain teams.  Donovan doesnt really need a hole to run.  He can take a hit and keep going forward.  But he wont always score or hit that big run when he does find the hole.  It seems that Baez is faster and if he find a hole right away, he is gone.  Baez is a much smaller back though and might not handle a closed hole as well as Donovan can.

Utah, my point being....Donovan splits carries and still averages 108 per game while Robinson averaged 112 with all the carries....I like Ithaca's chances with a two back system rather than 1 guy taking all the hits.

I like the split of Donovan & Baez as well, hopefully that works.

My point is that to MUC's credit (gulp), a back of Robby's talent had one of his best games in his career (IMHO) against that defense. They really are impressive...

[reality check]

Union89

For the record, you are the only one who used "huge difference" to describe the situation.  I choose my words wisely so that I don't say something stupid like "4 yards is a huge difference." 

I said that Robinson appears to be the better back which others from the east have corroborated.  I said that Mount appears to be better this year than last year on run defense which the stats support.

I feel pretty good based on these two statements about saying that Donovan could be in for a long day for the Bombers.

(Sorry I didn't quote the entire board in an effort to get more than five posts on this page.)

[runk]

 I am out of state and I listen to WRMU every week, til game is out of hand,(usually 1st quarter). I was wondering if IC video webacasts games?

[Tags]

I am out of state and I listen to WRMU every week, til game is out of hand,(usually 1st quarter). I was wondering if IC video webacasts games?

We're lobbying for it, but doesn't seem like it's going to happen. It would be fantastic though --- who has clout w/ PC, maybe we can contrigulate something with D3cast?

[HURFMUC]

You tell them has it is RC

[union89]

Union89

For the record, you are the only one who used "huge difference" to describe the situation.  I choose my words wisely so that I don't say something stupid like "4 yards is a huge difference." 

I said that Robinson appears to be the better back which others from the east have corroborated.  I said that Mount appears to be better this year than last year on run defense which the stats support.

I feel pretty good based on these two statements about saying that Donovan could be in for a long day for the Bombers.

(Sorry I didn't quote the entire board in an effort to get more than five posts on this page.)

To quote you RC, "Is Donovan anywhere near as good as Robinson".....yes 4 yards a game better....so ya, I think you made 4 yards sound very significant....

[reality check]

Robinson's career rushing numbers:

829 carries for 4847 yards (5.85 per carry) and 59 TD's

Donovan's career rushing numbers:

716 carries for 3824 yards (5.34 per carry) and 45 TD's

Robinson looks like a better back for his career too so yeah I'll maintain that Robinson is a better back. 

Of course, if Donovan could have maintained his freshmen numbers, we'd all be hailing him as the better guy.  Donovan needs 139 yards and 2 TD's to tie his freshman numbers for a season and he won't reach either mark.  

Rushing         No Gain Loss  Net TD Lg  Avg
--------------------------------------------
Mark Robinson   28  124   14  110  1 39  3.9
Nate Kmic          42  371    0  371  3 64  8.8

There's your huge difference.  And it's gonna be same song, different verse come Saturday.