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IC throws 39 times with 4 to 6 or 7 Radiers coming yet not one holding call, Right.  The NCAC refs. need not show up in Alliance.  Stick to the play in their conf.

That, or the IC line/backs did a fantastic job. Let's face it, you could probably call holding on almost every pass play.

[Jonny Utah]

  The only bad call by the refs that I saw, was that they missed a hold by Ithaca when Donovan caught that big screen/dump pass for 40 yards.

And I dont think it was clear that the ball was tipped on that punt.

I thought every call the refs made were good calls.  They did miss a big hold on Ithaca, but the holds on Mt. Union that were called were blatent.  And most of them came on those bootlegs where the IC olbs needed to be blocked.

Watching the replay of the game and the holding call that brought back Garcon's TD run was really questionable, and a you eluded to there was a quite a blantant hold on the play before the 40 yd dump pass play. But after that on the ensuing TD pass over the middle with 23 secs or so left, Parr was collared and pulled down qutie obviously and from two different camera angles!! Obviously angles the refs couldn't see??    geeeez Its obvious the NCAC refs for the past few years of playoff games have been nothing short of horrible and in some peoples' eyes abit deliberate in their calling of games. From my understanding there was someone there as an observer purposely to watch these refs calling the game, hmmmm, imagine that!

The hold on Garcon's TD was 100% holding and the only call that could have been made there.

But I would concur that there were some other calls that were missed.  the only ones you can really see as a fan though, are the pass rush ones, or the bootleg blocks on the blitzer.

But also a pass inteference call against MUC that the refs missed on the first drive.  Id love to see that one again.

[mtfan]

I dunno.  I saw the whole thing pretty clear too.  I mean, he broke two tackles after he was wrapped up on the sideline, and then he broke free and started to run again, and then kind of duckes and slipped out of bounds.  And it was right in front of the MUC bench and coaches and none of them even said anything!  

Anytime a personal foul happens in front of your bench, the team and coaches always go crazy.  I didnt see it there.  

I think we are talking about the same play.

I agree with you JU on the play, it was hard to see from our angle as he got hit going out of bounds but think his own momentum was what caused him to fall, not a hit by the IC player. Seeing in replay its a bit more noticeable from your angle than from the other side. How they can miss the obvious holding calls are what are the real eye catchers.

[HScoach]

Great game for big picture preparation of MUC for a run to the Stagg.  The defense needed tested, and the O needed to be put in a position to "have to make a play" and both came thru just fine.  Juvan was a much better QB than any in the OAC outside of Micheli.  But the Ithaca running game was completely shut down.  Overall a good showing from Ithaca.  Nice opening round test for the Raiders.

FYI, the results for Round 1 and the spreads for Round 2 have been posted.

[mtfan]

I have a question on the play by Juvan though that was called an incomplete pass too, though his arm was going forward the pass actually went behind where he was standing, which i would assume makes it a lateral pass and therefore a live ball...am i correct? anyone watching the replay and watch where his feet are and where the ball lands, i think he got a break there.

[Jonny Utah]

I dunno.  I saw the whole thing pretty clear too.  I mean, he broke two tackles after he was wrapped up on the sideline, and then he broke free and started to run again, and then kind of duckes and slipped out of bounds.  And it was right in front of the MUC bench and coaches and none of them even said anything!  

Anytime a personal foul happens in front of your bench, the team and coaches always go crazy.  I didnt see it there.  

I think we are talking about the same play.

I agree with you JU on the play, it was hard to see from our angle as he got hit going out of bounds but think his own momentum was what caused him to fall, not a hit by the IC player. Seeing in replay its a bit more noticeable from your angle than from the other side. How they can miss the obvious holding calls are what are the real eye catchers.

Yea, and the refs that should have made each call, didnt even make the call.  Like there was one pass inteference right over the middle (right in front of the line judge) that he missed.  It was so blatent that the side judge had to throw the flag from the other side of the field!  I mean it was the right call, but makes you wonder what else that back judge missed.

[Jonny Utah]

I have a question on the play by Juvan though that was called an incomplete pass too, though his arm was going forward the pass actually went behind where he was standing, which i would assume makes it a lateral pass and therefore a live ball...am i correct? anyone watching the replay and watch where his feet are and where the ball lands, i think he got a break there.

Yea, he would have ended up getting it back anyway (15 yards back), but thats a tough call to make live.  I couldnt really tell for sure what happened there......

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I get the feeling that if a MUC game is even remotely close, it means that there were a ton of obvious calls the ref's completely blew, hence not allowing MUC to win by 700 pts.

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Lost in all of this today was the fact that MUC took out a very good IC squad. Before I forget, I'll say congrats to MUC on a solid win.

...back to our regularly scheduled program

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You will come to learn that is far from the truth, Mount is one of the most penalized teams year in and year out, the Mount faithful usually do not blame losses or close games, let alone average games like this on penalties.

If you read the LK section of the AFCA Coaches Bible you will see that he and his players are the first one to take the blame for everything that takes plave in their game

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You will come to learn that is far from the truth, Mount is one of the most penalized teams year in and year out, the Mount faithful usually do not blame losses or close games, let alone average games like this on penalties.

If you read the LK section of the AFCA Coaches Bible you will see that he and his players are the first one to take the blame for everything that takes plave in their game

That wasn't a dig on the players / coaches --- I have the utmost respect for LK, not only for his accomplishments, but he seems like a classy guy, and also seems to run a very tight ship both on and off the field.

I just got tired of reading the banter on the refs 

[runk]

wasn't able to be at the mount game, so no first hand knowledge about today....but the ncac refs have been horrable in the past. even in games that were no where near close .older IC fans may have expierienced having a target on their backs for their days of dominince. just a thought

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from their days of dominence

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It was sure nice to listen to an entire muc game (most have been over in the 1st),congrats to IC nice showing (better than I expected)

[Jonny Utah]

wasn't able to be at the mount game, so no first hand knowledge about today....but the ncac refs have been horrable in the past. even in games that were no where near close .older IC fans may have expierienced having a target on their backs for their days of dominince. just a thought

I played against a Massachusetts team once with all massachusetts refs and they were horrible.  So I can see where you're comming from.