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Jonny Utah

Quote from: rscl70 on November 27, 2007, 06:26:50 PM
In the breif interview after the Stagg Bowl, LK said that Mike Jorris had been injured earlier in the playoffs and that he had kept that quiet.  If you look at the passing and rushing yardage in last years games you can see it.

Against Hope Mount rushed for 240 yards and passed for 344.
Against Wheaton Mount rushed for 397 and passed for 95
Against Capital Mount rushed for 302 and passed for 28
Against SJF Mount rushed for 378 and passed for 51
In the Stagg Bowl Micheli took over and Mount rushed for 161 and passed for 202.

Last year SJF faced a very one dimensional Mount Union attack.  This year it will be balanced and wide open, with more speed on the offense with the addition of Shorts.  I would say that will be the big difference between this year and last.

Is this the first or second year MUC has been running the spread (for 75% of their plays this year it seems anyway)

boobyhasgameyo

Man you guys do a good job of making me feel insecure about Fisher's chances (no sarcasm, really you are) throwing out all these statistics and possible attacks...But then I remember you only beat Ithaca by 24, a team Fisher itself beat by 21.  Jonny Utah would be quick to jump in and say well Ithaca improved greatly since their encounter with Fisher, but I guess nobody ever looks at the fact that maybe Fisher improved since that encounter as well.

theoriginalupstate

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 27, 2007, 06:56:15 PM
Man you guys do a good job of making me feel insecure about Fisher's chances (no sarcasm, really you are) throwing out all these statistics and possible attacks...But then I remember you only beat Ithaca by 24, a team Fisher itself beat by 21.  Jonny Utah would be quick to jump in and say well Ithaca improved greatly since their encounter with Fisher, but I guess nobody ever looks at the fact that maybe Fisher improved since that encounter as well.

Exactly, they use stats to back up their argument way too much.  According to them last years game wasnt even close....

pg04

Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 27, 2007, 06:56:15 PM
Man you guys do a good job of making me feel insecure about Fisher's chances (no sarcasm, really you are) throwing out all these statistics and possible attacks...But then I remember you only beat Ithaca by 24, a team Fisher itself beat by 21.  Jonny Utah would be quick to jump in and say well Ithaca improved greatly since their encounter with Fisher, but I guess nobody ever looks at the fact that maybe Fisher improved since that encounter as well.

See even their fans dominate!

rscl70

Quote from: Upstate on November 27, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: boobyhasgameyo on November 27, 2007, 06:56:15 PM
Man you guys do a good job of making me feel insecure about Fisher's chances (no sarcasm, really you are) throwing out all these statistics and possible attacks...But then I remember you only beat Ithaca by 24, a team Fisher itself beat by 21.  Jonny Utah would be quick to jump in and say well Ithaca improved greatly since their encounter with Fisher, but I guess nobody ever looks at the fact that maybe Fisher improved since that encounter as well.

Exactly, they use stats to back up their argument way too much.  According to them last years game wasnt even close....

Of course it was close....it wasn't decided until the blocked field goal with about 8 minutes to go in the 4th.
12-0 = 13

purpled

Johny Utah...IC did pass the ball well against MT. but for all those yards (324) only 3 scores and 3 scores against Mount won't get you to Salem. In addition, IC had to pass cuz they could not run which is what LK wanted to do...do not let the opponent control the game by the ground. Simple, really. SJF has the challenge of finding a running game to keep Mount's weapons system off the field or it will be a very long day.


RUN NATE RUN!!

"You know you're in trouble when...you see the refs tailgating with your opponent's fans." - Paul Fischer

dewcrew88

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 27, 2007, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2007, 03:47:48 PM
It rolls off my fingers pretty easily. It comes up so often I was thinking about putting it in the FAQ.

The sports radio guys in boston have it happen to them all the time.  Its always great.  It usually goes something like this"

Host: Caller #1 you are on....

Caller1: Yea, can you guys get back to talking about sports, Im sick of hearing you talking about politics this morning....

Host: Ok then, go ahead and talk about whatever you want......

Caller1: errr, emm.....

Host: No, you want to talk about sports, heres your chance...talk about whatever you want....

Caller1: emm....How do you think the redsox are going to do this year...?

Host: Wow.  This is great radio..........

I think you just quoted WEEI. Impressive.  ;)

dewcrew88

Quote from: theaprof on November 27, 2007, 04:33:01 PM
I think our D is going to put a major stop on the SJF offense (I'd say a major hurt, but I don't want to have anyone jump on me for wishing injuries (which I don't)).  SJF will likely score, but I think Mount wins by at least 32.

Run Bryson, Run!

I will go on the record here, as the columnist for the East Region, and you can quote me later to call me out if I am wrong, but I don't believe Mount Union will beat St. John Fisher by 32. No way.
I think this will be a great game, no matter who wins. Obviously, I hope it's Fisher... (ah, ya got me...so I'm East-biased!)  ;)

But seriously: I hope it's a good game for both teams, fans, broadcasters, etc. Hopefully no one gets hurt and this will be a good preview of next year's season opener between MUC and SJF.

HScoach

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 27, 2007, 05:16:45 PM
And a few more points I mentioned in an earlier post: (some may be repeated)

Here are the keys I think to beat Mt. Union.

1) You have to throw the ball well. A good qb and some speed recievers can beat MUC's defense.  BUT, you must have some sort of a threat to run to keep MUC's defense up at the line.  This is what IC did against them.  Juvan had his career best in yards in a game, and I must say, he was near perfect.  A few balls were even dropped.  A draw play or two might work, but you have to get the ball downfield.  Play action is a must, and guys must be able to block the extra blitzer and Kramer must be able to throw a good pass to the open hot read reciever.

2) Dont focus on Garcon You have two safties deep, a LB in the flat, and a corner on him. Dont go overboard and worry too much about one player.  The only way he is going to beat you bad is if the saftey gets beat, or if he gets the ball in a posisition where he is running at full speed.  Dont let the DBs get blocked on a screen and pursue to the ball!

3) Don't change your game plan and don't think you can slow down the game by running the ball SJF will not be able to run the ball next week.  Its that simple.  At least they wont be able to run to set up the pass anyway.  SJF will still have to try to run, but sending the RBs in the flat or middle of the field can work against them. 

4) Try to keep your contain man unblocked This is tough, but Kmic likes to run back to the sideline.  Make sure the contain man can remain unblocked, and hope to god he can tackle.

Final thoughts:

I think IC suprised Mt. Union a little.  They will not be suprised by SJF.  If MUC had to play IC over again, I think they might do a few different things.  Expect to see this from MUC this week:
-More no-huddle
-More short/screen passes to Garcon
-Less blitzing


I agree 100%.  I would like to add what I believe the biggest factor will likely be:  take advantage of every  opportunity to make a play when it presents itself.

If Micheli makes a bad throw, SJF has to intercept it.  If Kmic fumbles, SJF has to recover.  When MUC commits their normal stupid penalties to give SJF a first down, SJF will have to make them pay.  Score TD's when they reach the MUC red zone.

There have been too many times to count where a team has left the field after losing to Mount when they say "if this" and "if that" we could have won.  Just a couple plays here or there make all the difference in the world.  Last year's blocked FG is an example.  Whitewater's INT on the goal line, giving up Kmic's 95 yd TD run in '05.  Whitewater's blocked punt returned for a TD in '06.  It happens all the time.  MUC makes a play or 2 that changes the tide and ends up being the difference in the game. 

Outside of the obvious turnover impact, what's the common thread amongst the MUC losses in the last decade (ONU in '05, MHB in '04, SJU in '03, Rowan in '99)?  In each of these games, the following happened:
1. The opponent tackled well, thereby not allowing 5 yd runs to become long TD's
2.  The opponent won (or battled to a stalmate) along the line of scrimmage

If you expect to beat Mount, you better win up front in the trenches and tackle well in the open field.  The biggest flaw in the New Jersey defense was their open field tackling.  It was terrible.  And their predictabilty in always blitzing.
I find easily offended people rather offensive!

Statistics are like bikinis; what they reveal is interesting, what they hide is essential.

Frank Rossi

SJF should probably avoid the no-huddle this week that they tried to employ vs. Curry Saturday.  They tended to execute poorly from the hurry-up and this weekend, they need to shorten the game if they have any real chance to beat MUC.  The last thing they can engage in is a shootout if they expect to stay in the game from wire to wire.

boobyhasgameyo

Quote from: hscoach on November 27, 2007, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 27, 2007, 05:16:45 PM
And a few more points I mentioned in an earlier post: (some may be repeated)

Here are the keys I think to beat Mt. Union.

1) You have to throw the ball well. A good qb and some speed recievers can beat MUC's defense.  BUT, you must have some sort of a threat to run to keep MUC's defense up at the line.  This is what IC did against them.  Juvan had his career best in yards in a game, and I must say, he was near perfect.  A few balls were even dropped.  A draw play or two might work, but you have to get the ball downfield.  Play action is a must, and guys must be able to block the extra blitzer and Kramer must be able to throw a good pass to the open hot read reciever.

2) Dont focus on Garcon You have two safties deep, a LB in the flat, and a corner on him. Dont go overboard and worry too much about one player.  The only way he is going to beat you bad is if the saftey gets beat, or if he gets the ball in a posisition where he is running at full speed.  Dont let the DBs get blocked on a screen and pursue to the ball!

3) Don't change your game plan and don't think you can slow down the game by running the ball SJF will not be able to run the ball next week.  Its that simple.  At least they wont be able to run to set up the pass anyway.  SJF will still have to try to run, but sending the RBs in the flat or middle of the field can work against them. 

4) Try to keep your contain man unblocked This is tough, but Kmic likes to run back to the sideline.  Make sure the contain man can remain unblocked, and hope to god he can tackle.

Final thoughts:

I think IC suprised Mt. Union a little.  They will not be suprised by SJF.  If MUC had to play IC over again, I think they might do a few different things.  Expect to see this from MUC this week:
-More no-huddle
-More short/screen passes to Garcon
-Less blitzing


I agree 100%.  I would like to add what I believe the biggest factor will likely be:  take advantage of every  opportunity to make a play when it presents itself.

If Micheli makes a bad throw, SJF has to intercept it.  If Kmic fumbles, SJF has to recover.  When MUC commits their normal stupid penalties to give SJF a first down, SJF will have to make them pay.  Score TD's when they reach the MUC red zone.

There have been too many times to count where a team has left the field after losing to Mount when they say "if this" and "if that" we could have won.  Just a couple plays here or there make all the difference in the world.  Last year's blocked FG is an example.  Whitewater's INT on the goal line, giving up Kmic's 95 yd TD run in '05.  Whitewater's blocked punt returned for a TD in '06.  It happens all the time.  MUC makes a play or 2 that changes the tide and ends up being the difference in the game. 

Outside of the obvious turnover impact, what's the common thread amongst the MUC losses in the last decade (ONU in '05, MHB in '04, SJU in '03, Rowan in '99)?  In each of these games, the following happened:
1. The opponent tackled well, thereby not allowing 5 yd runs to become long TD's
2.  The opponent won (or battled to a stalmate) along the line of scrimmage

If you expect to beat Mount, you better win up front in the trenches and tackle well in the open field.  The biggest flaw in the New Jersey defense was their open field tackling.  It was terrible.  And their predictabilty in always blitzing.


The fact that you guys can list the losses you've accumulated from the past decade on one hand is crazy...It gets me everytime. 

FisherAlum05

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 27, 2007, 08:32:44 PM
SJF should probably avoid the no-huddle this week that they tried to employ vs. Curry Saturday.  They tended to execute poorly from the hurry-up and this weekend, they need to shorten the game if they have any real chance to beat MUC.  The last thing they can engage in is a shootout if they expect to stay in the game from wire to wire.

I agree.  Fisher will try to slow the game down by huddling.  Dont want a shootout with MUC.  BUT, if they go to the no-huddle at some point, and it works, dont be surprised if they continue with it. 
St. John Fisher College...King of the East

theoriginalupstate

Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 27, 2007, 08:32:44 PM
SJF should probably avoid the no-huddle this week that they tried to employ vs. Curry Saturday.  They tended to execute poorly from the hurry-up and this weekend, they need to shorten the game if they have any real chance to beat MUC.  The last thing they can engage in is a shootout if they expect to stay in the game from wire to wire.

Did they do the hurry up offense and let Kramer call plays at the line or just their normal no-huddle call the play in from the sidelines offense?

Frank Rossi

Quote from: Upstate on November 27, 2007, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 27, 2007, 08:32:44 PM
SJF should probably avoid the no-huddle this week that they tried to employ vs. Curry Saturday.  They tended to execute poorly from the hurry-up and this weekend, they need to shorten the game if they have any real chance to beat MUC.  The last thing they can engage in is a shootout if they expect to stay in the game from wire to wire.

Did they do the hurry up offense and let Kramer call plays at the line or just their normal no-huddle call the play in from the sidelines offense?

Sideline appeared to call the plays, but they were off by 15 on the play clock.

superman57

well Curry is no MUC... except they both wear purple... but I can see Voz, slowing the pace of the game down...  GO FISHER!!!!!

and rscl70 please repeat what you said in your last post so the rest of MUCnation can hear that, the game was close....throw the stats out the window


THIS IS OUR TIME NOW!!!!!
Quote from: Tags on October 10, 2007, 10:59:38 PM
You're the only dood on the board that doesn't know & accept that '57 can't spell.

Poor grammar and horrible spelling... it's just how he rolls.