FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Spence]

Of course, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.  That's the reason he's being abused so badly and unable to defend himself.

Hardly. Being ganged up on by a gaggle of purple people might have more to do with it.

Didn't know this board was bought and paid for by Mount Union. I'll know better than to expect an honest discussion in the future.

[Spence]

Spence a lot of what you are saying is ignorant and inexcusable.

Says you.

You're now making crap up as you go and have become a fool.

Since I didn't agree with you all from the start, I'm surprised you ever thought otherwise. I have remained consistent, so I don't know where you get the idea that I'm making anything up.

Marietta isn't the problem here, you are. Just shut the hell up and do as you promised and go away.

And yet you're the one that continues to engage me. Rich.

Is there anyone else on this planet that has watched just one game of any team sport and has the opinion that the team and/or one of its players would not at all benefit the following season by playing this year? Anyone? How ridiculous to even try to argue such a thing.

You coach the team you have, not the team you're going to have next year. Marietta didn't have many games where there was much opportunity to play the backups, and if I'm going to pick a game to try to get a FR QB some experience, it's for (danged) sure not going to be against Mount Union. I'm fully in agreement with coach Wiese on that. That has more potential to hurt than help, honestly.

The only coach I can think of that doesn't think about tomorrow today is one that doesn't plan on being around tomorrow. Maybe you should think about the fact that the guy you are so faithfully defending may have done what he did because he didn't plan on being back the following year. Maybe he already knew he was getting out of dodge. Maybe he looked at Marietta as a stepping stone. Maybe something fell through and he had to wait another year? Maybe, maybe not.

Who's inexcusable? You're accusing someone of harming the future of a program (as you see it) intentionally because they're not planning to be there? You owe Curt Wiese an apology as far as I'm concerned, not that I think he's all that concerned about it. He was a finalist for the UW-Whitewater job, so obviously they give him a little more credit than you do.

But you're so wrapped up in your own ego and agenda

Invective.

that you don't have the wherewithal to step back for once and just shut up about something when you are so clearly wrong.

Exactly what am I so clearly wrong about? I've still not gotten any sort of cogent explanation, only invective and vitriol.

My youngest son has more smarts than you.

No idea how young or smart your son is, but there's no need for this kind of personal attack. I would think that a moderator would step in and deal with this kind of nonsense. I would have expected better from OAC fans.

By keeping up with this silly argument you have created a prejudice against yourself and your school and you don't even see it.

Holy freaking Flying Spaghetti Monster (I'm trying to keep it clean here in light of recent events)! Who's the one keeping up the argument? I was trying to leave gracefully days ago and people like you and others won't let it go.

OK you know what? You're right. If Hughes had played one series against Mount as a FR, Marietta would undoubtedly be a playoff team right now. Is that what you want me to say? There ya go. Holy crap. I don't care what you think, really. It's your right as an American to be completely and utterly wrong.

Please, for everyone's sake, wake up! You've become the laughing stock of this board.

Given my impression of this board, I'll take that as a solid compliment.

[Spence]

Actually Spence;D3 football is a great vehicle for increased male enrollment.Since we are talking very expensive private schools, a college President who has a guy like Coach Siriani attracting good kids to WJU has a valuable asset.Not to mention the fact these guys all turn pro,in something ,and pump money and students back into the school.Some because they are former football players,and like to brag,like me.I dont believe you were referring to LK, as anybody who knows him will tell you he plays the guy who earns the job in practice.Period.It's what makes the Raiders great.

Sirianni didn't bring football to W&J, so the increased enrollment angle is null. W&J has been bringing in a lot of players for years. Trust me, you're not going to tell me anything I don't know already know about how D-III sports fit into the bigger picture of schools and their finances.

You completely 100% miss the point. I never said W&J should be turning out pro athletes. I said the level of the program has not materially changed since they changed coaches and if anything has gone down slightly in terms of their postseason success. Yes they bring in a lot of players. Big deal, they did that before, most programs in D-III do that whether they're any good or not.

LK himself has said that he tells freshmen not to expect him to know their name their first year. Mount Union players have been quoted as saying this. No I don't have a link handy, nor would I be all that anxious to placate any frothing at the mouth demands for one. You can believe me or not believe me and I don't give a (bowel movement) which.

[Spence]

We can list lots of players that got looks, cups of coffee, or hung around but Kirasdad is right and the writer's premise was based on combine participation.  Kern, Woolf, etc. weren't combine attendees. 

Technically Adamson was at the combine (if you can count standing around in the lobby at the RCA Dome trying to get a scout's attention.)

...reasonable thread into a idiotic (peepee)-measuring contest, mostly between themselves.

Technically it's "an idiotic" there Spence.  I'm normally not a grammar and spelling hound but since you've never been wrong, I thought it was necessary to point out the first time in your life you've made a mistake.  Welcome to the club.

You caught me. I made a typo at 1:30 in the morning. I hope you're absolutely thrilled with yourself. Btw, typos are neither an indication of insufficient grammar skills nor show a lack of ability to spell. I've known brilliant people that were poor typists. I myself am barely on the high side of average.

[Spence]

If this whole discussion had been about doing good things for the players and the school then it would have never happened and the people that worship coach "I'll learn your name by your junior year" wouldn't have as much a reason to turn what was once a reasonable thread into a idiotic dick-measuring contest, mostly between themselves.

Why so bitter Spence? Me thinks you must have lost one of these contests

Does anyone else see the irony of someone from Marietta taking shots at Washington and Jefferson???

Oh son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

When will people here learn that calling things like you see them and making a very defendable statement does not constitute "taking shots" at someone or something.

Considering Waynesburg is usually in the top end of the Presidents' and when Marietta played Waynesburg they usually beat them, I wonder how MC would do against W&J in football. Would have been a lot smarter to schedule them than St. John's, that's for sure.

[Mr. Ypsi]

We can list lots of players that got looks, cups of coffee, or hung around but Kirasdad is right and the writer's premise was based on combine participation.  Kern, Woolf, etc. weren't combine attendees. 

Technically Adamson was at the combine (if you can count standing around in the lobby at the RCA Dome trying to get a scout's attention.)

...reasonable thread into a idiotic (peepee)-measuring contest, mostly between themselves.

Technically it's "an idiotic" there Spence.  I'm normally not a grammar and spelling hound but since you've never been wrong, I thought it was necessary to point out the first time in your life you've made a mistake.  Welcome to the club.

You caught me. I made a typo at 1:30 in the morning. I hope you're absolutely thrilled with yourself. Btw, typos are neither an indication of insufficient grammar skills nor show a lack of ability to spell. I've known brilliant people that were poor typists. I myself am barely on the high side of average.

And that's in Lake Wobegon!

Sorry, I'm staying out of this brawl, but some straight lines are impossible to resist.

[Spence]

We can list lots of players that got looks, cups of coffee, or hung around but Kirasdad is right and the writer's premise was based on combine participation.  Kern, Woolf, etc. weren't combine attendees. 

Technically Adamson was at the combine (if you can count standing around in the lobby at the RCA Dome trying to get a scout's attention.)

...reasonable thread into a idiotic (peepee)-measuring contest, mostly between themselves.

Technically it's "an idiotic" there Spence.  I'm normally not a grammar and spelling hound but since you've never been wrong, I thought it was necessary to point out the first time in your life you've made a mistake.  Welcome to the club.

You caught me. I made a typo at 1:30 in the morning. I hope you're absolutely thrilled with yourself. Btw, typos are neither an indication of insufficient grammar skills nor show a lack of ability to spell. I've known brilliant people that were poor typists. I myself am barely on the high side of average.

And that's in Lake Wobegon!

Sorry, I'm staying out of this brawl, but some straight lines are impossible to resist.

I love that guy, even if I have no idea who he is. Just inevitably come in on the middle of his program driving somewhere on the weekend. But that's a funny show and a funny bit.

It's not really a brawl when it's like 7 on 1.

[seventiesraider]

Starting to feel like the movie "Groundhog's Day"

[seventiesraider]

Congratulations Spence, you continue to prove that over 200 smiters can't be wrong.

You chastise others for using hearsay yet you can use it to support a false argument about Larry Kehres.

Trust me, LK may joke (yes he does have a sense of humor) about not knowing players names, but he knew their names, their coaches names and their parents names before they ever came to camp. Forget a couple walk on's names in summer camp? I'm sure. But Larry Kehres is far from the shallow person it pleases you to paint him as.

"Players have been quoted as saying"   NAME ONE

You just make up crap as it suits your feeble arguments. It's hard to "call things as you see them" with your head that far up your ass.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Stop trying to post to Spence.  He has finally stayed away from this board as promised...

Don't say I didn't warn you.  At least he didn't reference contests measuring our body parts this time.

[Spence]

Congratulations Spence, you continue to prove that over 200 smiters can't be wrong.

You chastise others for using hearsay yet you can use it to support a false argument about Larry Kehres.

Trust me, LK may joke (yes he does have a sense of humor) about not knowing players names, but he knew their names, their coaches names and their parents names before they ever came to camp. Forget a couple walk on's names in summer camp? I'm sure. But Larry Kehres is far from the shallow person it pleases you to paint him as.

"Players have been quoted as saying"   NAME ONE

You just make up crap as it suits your feeble arguments. It's hard to "call things as you see them" with your head that far up your ass.

I never said he was shallow. Back when he was bringing in 150 player classes it was what it was. I would have had trouble knowing all their names too.

As far as naming one...asked and answered. I'm not bothering looking for it considering the average shelf life of message board posts and articles on the internet.

You people act like I'm saying I've never seen a more teeming hive of scum and villainy, and I've never said anything close to it.

Good Flying Spaghetti Monster you all are touchy.

[ace]

Good night Spence.

[HScoach]

I wish I had someone in my life who loved me as much as Spence loves himself.

Usee said it best.  Yikes.

[SaintsFAN]

You just make up crap as it suits your feeble arguments. It's hard to "call things as you see them" with your head that far up your ass.

Considering Waynesburg is usually in the top end of the Presidents' and when Marietta played Waynesburg they usually beat them, I wonder how MC would do against W&J in football. Would have been a lot smarter to schedule them than St. John's, that's for sure.


This is a ridiculous statement.  When Marietta played Waynesburg back in 1999 and 2000 (the D3 era...there's no records on here earlier than 1999), Waynesburg was a .500 team--both in the PAC and overall.  In fact, if you want to compare scores from those two years....W&J ROLLED two very average Waynesburg teams while Marietta played two close games (and lost one). 

Take away the fact that you are comparing scores between 3 teams from almost 10 years ago...I still agree with one thing you said:

It may have been smarter to schedule Waynesburg than it was St. Johns because the game may have been a little closer, but the result from 2007 would have still been an "L" for the Pioneers. 

[Spence]

You just make up crap as it suits your feeble arguments. It's hard to "call things as you see them" with your head that far up your ass.

Considering Waynesburg is usually in the top end of the Presidents' and when Marietta played Waynesburg they usually beat them, I wonder how MC would do against W&J in football. Would have been a lot smarter to schedule them than St. John's, that's for sure.


This is a ridiculous statement.  When Marietta played Waynesburg back in 1999 and 2000 (the D3 era...there's no records on here earlier than 1999), Waynesburg was a .500 team--both in the PAC and overall.  In fact, if you want to compare scores from those two years....W&J ROLLED two very average Waynesburg teams while Marietta played two close games (and lost one). 

Take away the fact that you are comparing scores between 3 teams from almost 10 years ago...I still agree with one thing you said:

It may have been smarter to schedule Waynesburg than it was St. Johns because the game may have been a little closer, but the result from 2007 would have still been an "L" for the Pioneers. 

We'll never know, will we?

I don't think MC really was that far from being a pretty decent team last year. The Ott game was a terrible disappointment, but JCU turned on a couple late fumbles and the ONU game was close all the way against, on paper, a far superior opponent. SJU, Cap and Mount were lost causes before the game started.

MC played 5 opponents ranked in the top 16 last year, 4 in the OAC. You don't get that in the Presidents. Ever. Obviously it would have been nice if MC had won the 5 that weren't against ranked teams, but with the youth they had I don't think that's completely unexpected.

I'm reminded of when I lived in Virginia and people down there were talking up Ferrum, Averett, and Christopher Newport in football. I made the statement that none of them would finish in the top half of the OAC or any other power conference, and believe that to this day. W&J is at least able to beat CNU in the postseason, though they did lose to NC Wesleyan from the same conference. It's just a different world in leagues like the OAC. I'm sure Sirianni knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Marietta plays at Thiel next year. I wish this game weren't scheduled because I don't like rooting against Thiel in anything since Joe Schaly is the AD there. But, like it or not, it's there. They had an off year last year but are usually near the top of the Presidents. It should be a solid test in the new coach's debut.

Finally, lest anyone misunderstand. I NEVER said MC was better than W&J, what I said is W&J would have a lot more trouble putting up the record they do and getting into the playoffs if they were in the OAC, and probably would fall short most of the time (I'd say every year in the Sirianni era; do you honestly think there's been a year where they would have only lost one game against Cap, ONU, Mount, JCU and BW having to play at least 2 of them on the road? And you can ask BW and ONU if Marietta's capable of pulling an upset).

It's just a different world in a power conference, and for schools not in one, what I think is reasonable to use as a measuring stick is how they do in the playoffs. And W&J, despite being overseeded practically every year, hasn't exactly set the world on fire. Were it not for getting matched up consistently with an autobid team from a poor conference, it would be even worse. Don't get me started on how seedings are handled in D-III...across the board. It's truly ridiculous how little they seem to take into account strength of schedule.