FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I actually gave Spence +K for that post.  It was well thought out and he didn't resort to name calling.  Miracles do happen.

[seventiesraider]

Hope springs eternal

[joelmama]

Congratulations Spence, you continue to prove that over 200 smiters can't be wrong.

You chastise others for using hearsay yet you can use it to support a false argument about Larry Kehres.

Trust me, LK may joke (yes he does have a sense of humor) about not knowing players names, but he knew their names, their coaches names and their parents names before they ever came to camp. Forget a couple walk on's names in summer camp? I'm sure. But Larry Kehres is far from the shallow person it pleases you to paint him as.

"Players have been quoted as saying"   NAME ONE

You just make up crap as it suits your feeble arguments. It's hard to "call things as you see them" with your head that far up your ass.

I never said he was shallow. Back when he was bringing in 150 player classes it was what it was. I would have had trouble knowing all their names too.

As far as naming one...asked and answered. I'm not bothering looking for it considering the average shelf life of message board posts and articles on the internet.

You people act like I'm saying I've never seen a more teeming hive of scum and villainy, and I've never said anything close to it.

Good Flying Spaghetti Monster you all are touchy.

You are just making this up.  I was a trainer at MUC and graduated in 1982.  I went to the west coast and didn't return to a MUC for 10-11 years.  When I came back I went to seee a couple of friends who were coaching after a game and LK called me over gave me a hug and asked how my three small children were doing and he knew ther kids names.  I am pretty sure you are making up your heresay on LK not knowing names based on my first hand experience. 

[SaintsFAN]

Spence,

I also agree with most of your post.  Though, what i read, quoted and responded to was the notion that Marietta would have been better off scheduling Waynesburg or W&J and that I say is wrong.  It would have still equalled a loss.

Two of my old coaches are coaching in the OAC now, I know how strong the OAC is.  My opinoin is you can take most of the teams that you see having success outside of the OAC and put them into the conference and they'd lose consistantly to Capital, Ohio Northern, Mount Union...but not necessarily the bottom half. 

[Small but Slow]

formerd3db - I'm a believer that the top flight DIII teams can compete with the non-scholarship championship subdivision teams.  I am defending the quality of athletes in DIII and don't feel they receive the respect they deserve, mainly by those who really have no idea what they are talking about.  

[HScoach]

formerd3db - I'm a believer that the top flight DIII teams can compete with the non-scholarship championship subdivision teams.  I am defending the quality of athletes in DIII and don't feel they receive the respect they deserve, mainly by those who really have no idea what they are talking about.  

I agree.  The top 10% of D3 could compete. 

What I think gets lost across the nation when it comes to understanding D3 is just how much latitude and difference there is in how the 230+ difference schools approach D3 football.  Some progams take it very seriously, ala most of the OAC.  Some programs don't, ala most of the NCAC.

Case in point, I've witnessed some stud HS players from Stark County that I was thrlled to death to see them chose Mount Union.  Only to get buried on the Mount depth chart and transfer to other D3 schools or Malone, Walsh, etc (or just plain quit) after a season or two.  Does Eric Heinzer ring a bell?  He was the Stark County Player of the Year as a FB/LB at D1 Massillon Perry, but couldn't crack the travel team at Mount and transfered out.

By contrast, one of my former HS players was a freshman starter at Hiram at LG after being only an average HS player that didn't start until his senior year in at our Div 3 HS that was 6-4.  He wouldn't have seen the field on some of our better HS teams, but he was in the right class and started his senoir year for us.  It's not like he was Tom Arth at Iggy sitting behind other D-1A athletes and had to wait his turn.  He was an average HS player at an average mid-size HS that was an immediate starter in college at Hiram.

If your D3 experience is the upper echelon like MUC/BW/ONU/Cap, then you know how good the D3 athletes really can be.  They're just a couple inches too short or 30 lbs too light from being bigtime. 

But if your D3 experience is the crap at the bottom of D3 like Hiram/Wilmington/Muskingum, then your opinion of D3 is probably going to be that NCAA D3 isn't anything more than glorified HS football. 

[formerd3db]

Small and hscoach:

Thanks for the follow-up.  I agree with you both.  I would just add, though, that IMO, contrary to some people as you have pointed out, that DIII football is "not glorified hs football".  As you nicely mentioned hscoach, some kids are late bloomers and also, it depends on being at the right place and the right time and the #'s game.  We all know also that there are some very good hs school football players who don't make it even at the small college football level.  Anyway, thanks for the discussion and your comments.  Always great to hear about everyone's perspective and experiences in this as either former players or current coaches.

[Spence]

I actually gave Spence +K for that post.  It was well thought out and he didn't resort to name calling.  Miracles do happen.

Screw you. I don't need your patronizing BS.

Nice back-handed compliment, jerk.

[Spence]

Congratulations Spence, you continue to prove that over 200 smiters can't be wrong.

You chastise others for using hearsay yet you can use it to support a false argument about Larry Kehres.

Trust me, LK may joke (yes he does have a sense of humor) about not knowing players names, but he knew their names, their coaches names and their parents names before they ever came to camp. Forget a couple walk on's names in summer camp? I'm sure. But Larry Kehres is far from the shallow person it pleases you to paint him as.

"Players have been quoted as saying"   NAME ONE

You just make up crap as it suits your feeble arguments. It's hard to "call things as you see them" with your head that far up your ass.

I never said he was shallow. Back when he was bringing in 150 player classes it was what it was. I would have had trouble knowing all their names too.

As far as naming one...asked and answered. I'm not bothering looking for it considering the average shelf life of message board posts and articles on the internet.

You people act like I'm saying I've never seen a more teeming hive of scum and villainy, and I've never said anything close to it.

Good Flying Spaghetti Monster you all are touchy.

You are just making this up.  I was a trainer at MUC and graduated in 1982.  I went to the west coast and didn't return to a MUC for 10-11 years.  When I came back I went to seee a couple of friends who were coaching after a game and LK called me over gave me a hug and asked how my three small children were doing and he knew ther kids names.  I am pretty sure you are making up your heresay on LK not knowing names based on my first hand experience. 

Fine, whatever.

You probably had more face time with LK as a trainer than a non-2-deep FR. So what the hell does that prove?

[Spence]

Spence,

I also agree with most of your post.  Though, what i read, quoted and responded to was the notion that Marietta would have been better off scheduling Waynesburg or W&J and that I say is wrong.  It would have still equalled a loss.

Not sure how you can be so sure about that. We'll never know, but considering how MC played against low end top 25 or out of the top 25 opponents, I find it entirely possible.

We'll never know.

[SaintsFAN]

You're right we won't know. 

But I don't think Marietta would have beaten those two teams.  And I'm not the only one that thinks that..

Look I'm all for the OAC being the toughest conference.....but its a fact that Marietta took a major step backwards in 2007 from 2006. . .whether is because they lost their QB or whatever. 

As someone who knows the OAC very well told me today...there was great parity between #2-#7 in the OAC in 2007.  MUC was heads and shoulders above everyone, and the bottom 3..was the bottom 3. 

[Spence]

You're right we won't know. 

But I don't think Marietta would have beaten those two teams. 

Look I'm all for the OAC being the toughest conference.....but its a fact that Marietta took a major step backwards in 2007 from 2006. . .whether is because they lost their QB or whatever. 

As someone who knows the OAC very well told me today...there was great parity between #2-#7 in the OAC in 2007.  MUC was heads and shoulders above everyone, and the bottom 3..was the bottom 3. 

Yeah and MC was part of that 2-7, unless you think Heidelberg, Muskingum or Wilmington was.

I don't think tehy really did take a major step backward. Did you expcet them to be as good while losing maybe the best QB in the history of the program?

[Knightstalker]

You're right we won't know. 

But I don't think Marietta would have beaten those two teams. 

Look I'm all for the OAC being the toughest conference.....but its a fact that Marietta took a major step backwards in 2007 from 2006. . .whether is because they lost their QB or whatever. 

As someone who knows the OAC very well told me today...there was great parity between #2-#7 in the OAC in 2007.  MUC was heads and shoulders above everyone, and the bottom 3..was the bottom 3. 

Yeah and MC was part of that 2-7, unless you think Heidelberg, Muskingum or Wilmington was.

I don't think tehy really did take a major step backward. Did you expcet them to be as good while losing maybe the best QB in the history of the program?

Actually MC was in the bottom three this past season and I believe that is what Saints Fan was refering to.
http://www.d3football.com/conference_info.php?year=2007&conf=OAC

[SaintsFAN]

Thats exactly what I was referring to, Knightstalker.  Thank you


I didn't have any expectations....but thats also why I'm saying Marietta would not have won in week 1 even if they had played Waynesburg or W&J. 


I'm not going to help you chase your tail on this one... you've made my point. 

Do you really think a scrimmage would have prepared a new QB for any of those two teams?

*and before you ask it, they included Heidelberg in the "parity" part because they beat the flaming pile known as BW.

[Spence]

You're right we won't know. 

But I don't think Marietta would have beaten those two teams. 

Look I'm all for the OAC being the toughest conference.....but its a fact that Marietta took a major step backwards in 2007 from 2006. . .whether is because they lost their QB or whatever. 

As someone who knows the OAC very well told me today...there was great parity between #2-#7 in the OAC in 2007.  MUC was heads and shoulders above everyone, and the bottom 3..was the bottom 3. 

Yeah and MC was part of that 2-7, unless you think Heidelberg, Muskingum or Wilmington was.

I don't think tehy really did take a major step backward. Did you expcet them to be as good while losing maybe the best QB in the history of the program?

Actually MC was in the bottom three this past season and I believe that is what Saints Fan was refering to.
http://www.d3football.com/conference_info.php?year=2007&conf=OAC

Yeah, if you order Heidelberg and Marietta ALPHA-FREAKING-BETICALLY! Holy freaking crap.

Marietta beat Heidelberg head to head. In the world of most people, that would put Marietta ahead of Heidelberg in the standings. Good Flying Spaghetti Monster.