FB: Ohio Athletic Conference

[jaypeter]

This whole thread is making me wish we could put some users, or even an entire thread, into an "ignore" feature and not have to worry about it like some of the other sports I follow.  Could we maybe move the W&J/Sirianni/Spence/purple-nation to it's own thread so I don't have to waste my time looking for OAC-relevant information through all this other stuff?

oy.

[Spence]

This whole thread is making me wish we could put some users, or even an entire thread, into an "ignore" feature and not have to worry about it like some of the other sports I follow.  Could we maybe move the W&J/Sirianni/Spence/purple-nation to it's own thread so I don't have to waste my time looking for OAC-relevant information through all this other stuff?

oy.

Believe it or not this thread started out as OAC-relevant information before it got turned into...well, what I called it earlier, by the purple people.

[pradierguy]

This whole thread is making me wish we could put some users, or even an entire thread, into an "ignore" feature and not have to worry about it like some of the other sports I follow.  Could we maybe move the W&J/Sirianni/Spence/purple-nation to it's own thread so I don't have to waste my time looking for OAC-relevant information through all this other stuff?

oy.

My thoughts exactly

[JK]

I was right, I wasted my breath.

You say you are a lot of things, Spence, but you are only one: Stand-offish.

You want others to consider your opinions and ideas, but you are unwilling to reciprocate.

Goodbye.

[seventiesraider]

Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z ! ! !

[Acky]

I agree with Jaypeter.  This back and forth is really getting old.

[Knightstalker]

Like my dear departed father used to say, "People talk and talk and talk and never a GD thing."

[joelmama]

Yes,congrats RC.There is nothing quite like father-daughter love,it is something special.Spence...Coach Siriani has raised the bar at WJU.I wish some WJU people would weigh in on this;so this will be it, but..their last coach was dying to leave and interviewing with what seemed like every college in the U.S.Unless I'm mistaken ,the program has not had as high as ranked teams as they have had under Coach Siriani.

You're just misinformed.

Let me know when he gets them to the national championship game, like they did twice under the previous coach.

W&J has always been good. They win 80% of the time over the past 25 years. Sirianni has the best record of any coach they've ever had, but look at who they're playing! Their non-conference schedule is pathetic. Oberlin? Hanover? They played a couple good teams in 06, and lost to Salisbury. 07 it was back to the cupcakes, and losing to 8 seed NC Wesleyan was the result. I used to cover schools in their conference and we're talking about like 6th/7th place in the OAC. I-AA and D-II just kills their ability to recruit the talent you need to compete in D-III IMO.

Programs like W&J are measured by what they do in the postseason (not just making it, they make it almost every year no matter who the coach is), and under Sirianni W&J hasn't improved from what Banaszak did; both have 3 playoff wins, and both had 3 in 4 years (since Sirianni didn't get one this year). Sirianni benefitted from playing South Region teams (weak) in all 3 of the wins.

W&J won 10 playoff games in a 4 years stretch from 92-95 under Luckhardt before falling back in the late 90s. But Banaszak rebuilt the program to at least a playoff program, if not the title contending program Luckhardt built over the course of a decade. Banaszak left the program better than he found it. So far, Sirianni hasn't been able to further improve on that.

IMO the only time W&J was good enough to make the playoffs out of the OAC was 92-94.

W&J football = Wooster baseball. Lots of regular season wins, not a heckuva lot of postseason success.

So by the measure of other coaches and Presidents in D3 Siriani looks damn good.After all,other D3 coaches rank his teams highly as compared with themselves.When he was hired, their Prez said he wanted to bring stability to the program,and he did.Insult me if you must but I'm not getting into a dick measuring contest.It would ruin my reputation.

I'll be interested to see if you get a benching and a talking to for using that word. I did.

So now you are the expert on how W&J measures their football program.  That they feel they are a failure if they do not win playoff games?  Is there no value of keeping a program that he took over at a high level at that same high level for a continuos peiod of time.  Is there not the chance that the administation of W&J cares more about other contributions the football team makes as well as wins and losses.  Like good student conduct, leadership, good relations for alumni (and a base to help raise funds), keeping enrollment at a stable level overall  for the college.

Seems to me you have appointed yourself judge and jury of what is important to W&J and if you had any reason to be a W&J expeert I would give you some credit but it seems like you just have a big mouth and a penchant for making a  bad argument and then continuing to back up your bad argument.  I guess it proably the fault of all the MUC fans on this board that causes your problems.

[Knightstalker]

JM, I raised that point and it was summarily dismissed because winning it all should be focus of every D-III program.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Just ignore it and it will go away.

[seventiesraider]

I get paid to argue with 14 year olds. I'm done doing it for free on here. 8) 8)

PS I'm a HS head coach in two sports and it's a primary job function to be the liason between The Suits and my Assistants and Athletes. If I can't do that, I've totally failed in my duties and I'd be a pretty lousy role model as well.

[Small but Slow]

College coaches work under the direction of the president and board of directors of the college.  As long as the suits are pleased with the coach's performance he will keep his job.  Nothing against W&J or the PAC, but the football program's tradition and level of competition both lead to the success they have achieved.  They win the games on their schedule every year and are awarded with a playoff berth.  The purpose of any college is not to win championships.  Inability to "win the big one" is not going to cause any DIII coach to lose his job as long as his players graduate and represent the school in a manner which satisfies the president.  My guess is Coach Siriani is satisfying his administration's objectives well enough to maintain employment.

[Knightstalker]

At NJCU in mens basketball Coach Brown always set the team goal to make the postseason, they have done this for 20 some years straight.  He made the final four twice but did not win it all.  The graduation rate was horrendous at the school when he took over.  When he retired before this season he had raised it to about 80% which is good for a state college.  If you tracked the former players, many who took longer than six years to graduate it is much higher.  He was a success as a coach because his kids went to school, were held to higher standards than the NCAA mandated and to higher behavioral standards than the college mandated.  Many of his former players are coaches, teachers or successful in life.  He also gets on the case of former players who did not graduate everytime he sees them asking them when they are going to finish their degrees.  He has former players coming to see him all the time.  He knows their children, he knows the students and former students who were not basketball players and he knows our children and treats everyone with dignity and respect.

To me that is a successful program.

[reality check]

Just got done reading articles about the All American Football League and its financial worries.  With the discontinuation of NFL Europe, the AAFL was expected to serve as some sort of minor league feeder to the NFL but it looks like the season might be all but lost due to financial concerns.  I found there website in hopes that they might have some D-III'ers on the prospective rosters and was quite disappointed that only one player in the league (from my quick search) was a D-III representative.  Most players appear to be re-treads from the big NCAA conferences (SEC/Big 10/Big 12) including "star signee" Eric Crouch from Nebraska.  I had a glimmer of hope I might see a couple names on the rosters I'd be happy about but that wasn't the case.

[HScoach]

At NJCU in mens basketball Coach Brown always set the team goal to make the postseason, they have done this for 20 some years straight.  He made the final four twice but did not win it all.  The graduation rate was horrendous at the school when he took over.  When he retired before this season he had raised it to about 80% which is good for a state college.  If you tracked the former players, many who took longer than six years to graduate it is much higher.  He was a success as a coach because his kids went to school, were held to higher standards than the NCAA mandated and to higher behavioral standards than the college mandated.  Many of his former players are coaches, teachers or successful in life.  He also gets on the case of former players who did not graduate everytime he sees them asking them when they are going to finish their degrees.  He has former players coming to see him all the time.  He knows their children, he knows the students and former students who were not basketball players and he knows our children and treats everyone with dignity and respect.

To me that is a successful program.

I agree 100%.