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formerd3db

#16380
May 09, 2008, 11:38:44 AM
section13:
I know what you mean.  I get the same "look" from people when I relate that the all-time leading rusher in the NCAA is R. J. Bowers of DIII Grove City. :)

JK:
Indeed, that is incredible! :o

TheeBuffaloSabres:
That is a classic story for all time.  I have a similar one, but won't bore you guys with it.  Great memories for sure. ;)  

"When the Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He'll write not 'won' or 'lost', But how you played the game." - Grantland Rice

HScoach

#16381
May 09, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: JK on May 09, 2008, 10:16:21 AM
Just to put it into perspective...

Earlier I mentioned that LK would have to have a run of 0-10 seasons for his career winning percentage to fall below .600. 

Well, MUC would have to lose every game for the better part of TWO DECADES- 18.5 years, to be exact, for LK's career winning percentage to fall below .600.  If LK lost 185 straight games, his career winning percentage would dip to .596.

Seriously, is that ridiculous or what?


JK:  +k for a CAPITAL guy doing the leg work on this one.   
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reality check

#16382
May 09, 2008, 04:43:10 PM
formerd3db

Bowers is no longer the all-time leader.  He was passed in 2007 by Danny Woodhead of D-II Chadron State.  I know what you were referring to in regards to the puzzled looks when you tell people that stuff though.  RJ is no longer the rushing king though. 


JK

I bet even if LK could somehow "turn the tide" and lose 185 straight games, Hiram would still figure out how to lose 186 just to stay in front.
OAC Champs: 1942 (one title ties us with Ohio State)
OAC Runners-Up: 2017, 2016, 2015, 2010, 2009, 2005, 2004, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1982, 1941 (Stupid Mount Union!)
MOL Champs: 1952, 1950

formerd3db

#16383
May 09, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: reality check on May 09, 2008, 04:43:10 PM
formerd3db

Bowers is no longer the all-time leader.  He was passed in 2007 by Danny Woodhead of D-II Chadron State.  I know what you were referring to in regards to the puzzled looks when you tell people that stuff though.  RJ is no longer the rushing king though. 


JK

I bet even if LK could somehow "turn the tide" and lose 185 straight games, Hiram would still figure out how to lose 186 just to stay in front.


RC:

I stand corrected.  Thanks for updating me on the correct info.  I'm not sure how/why, yet, somehow I obviously missed seeing that.  I'll have to get further updated on other stats when I get my "this year's" copy the new NCAA Annual Yearbook (if it hasn''t come out already).  Still, that is an incredible accomplishment in beating Bower's record.  I'm sure you agree, but isn't it great that someone from the "upper divisions" (DII or III) hold the record as opposed to a DI former player?!! ;)
"When the Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He'll write not 'won' or 'lost', But how you played the game." - Grantland Rice

JK

#16384
May 09, 2008, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: hscoach on May 09, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: JK on May 09, 2008, 10:16:21 AM
Just to put it into perspective...

Earlier I mentioned that LK would have to have a run of 0-10 seasons for his career winning percentage to fall below .600. 

Well, MUC would have to lose every game for the better part of TWO DECADES- 18.5 years, to be exact, for LK's career winning percentage to fall below .600.  If LK lost 185 straight games, his career winning percentage would dip to .596.

Seriously, is that ridiculous or what?


JK:  +k for a CAPITAL guy doing the leg work on this one.   

No problem.  It wasn't what you would call upper level math or anything.  ;D
(which is good because the only math course I took at Cap was the required statistics class my sophomore year)

section13raiderfan

#16385
May 09, 2008, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: reality check on May 09, 2008, 04:43:10 PM
formerd3db

Bowers is no longer the all-time leader.  He was passed in 2007 by Danny Woodhead of D-II Chadron State.  I know what you were referring to in regards to the puzzled looks when you tell people that stuff though.  RJ is no longer the rushing king

Waynesburg State had a rusher with obscene stats last year. If he could keep up the pace, all records would fall in rushing yards gained. Somehow though, I think opponents will have a "game plan" for this kid from now on. ;)  It might be nice to see this kid in a playoff game against MUC sometime. Lets see what he can do against the Raider D!

raiderpa

#16386
May 09, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
the rushing records, IMO, are tainted as, until recently, the post season yards that were gained by numerous players are not counted.  I think I am right on this...correction will be accepted if necessary...

Chuck  Moore, Mount Union is a good example....I do not believe that his post season yardage is counted in the records , while Nate Kmic's is..

Cant have it both ways... either go back and add the post season stats for everyone, or don't count post season at all...

Am I wrong on this?  Is this just an institutional thing or does it go across the entire division??


Pat Coleman

#16387
May 09, 2008, 11:56:05 PM
NCAA rule. They did not grandfather in old playoff stats when they changed the rule.

Which, to me, is patently ridiculous.
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Mr. Ypsi

#16388
May 10, 2008, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 09, 2008, 11:56:05 PM
NCAA rule. They did not grandfather in old playoff stats when they changed the rule.

Which, to me, is patently ridiculous.

Agreed.  And while old regular season box scores may sometimes go missing, surely all playoff stats would be quite easy to find and utilize.

frank uible

#16389
May 10, 2008, 03:47:14 AM Last Edit: May 10, 2008, 03:49:39 AM by frank uible
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formerd3db

#16390
May 10, 2008, 01:40:56 PM
Pat, Frank, Mr. Ypsi and raiderpa: 

I agree with you guys completely on both counts. ;D  BTW, then does anybody know what the results would be i.e. who (Dorsett, Griffin, Sanders, Bowers, Woodhead, etc., etc) would be the leader if all rushing yardage including those in post season games for everyone would be counted?     
"When the Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He'll write not 'won' or 'lost', But how you played the game." - Grantland Rice

Mr. Ypsi

#16391
May 10, 2008, 01:50:32 PM
Quote from: formerd3db on May 10, 2008, 01:40:56 PM
Pat, Frank, Mr. Ypsi and raiderpa: 

I agree with you guys completely on both counts. ;D  BTW, then does anybody know what the results would be i.e. who (Dorsett, Griffin, Sanders, Bowers, Woodhead, etc., etc) would be the leader if all rushing yardage including those in post season games for everyone would be counted?     

I'd guess it would be the d2,d3 guys since they often play several postseason games while d1 plays at most 1.

Kira & Jaxon's Dad

#16392
May 10, 2008, 06:55:01 PM
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formerd3db

#16393
May 10, 2008, 07:13:06 PM
Kirasdad:

Hilarious!  Although he is lucky he wasn't fined (aka Moss for the cell phone/goalpost NFL shennanigan) or better yet, made to write 100 times on the college classroom blackboard..."I will not beat the opponent band's drum in the enzone after scoring a touchdown" ;D ::) :D
"When the Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He'll write not 'won' or 'lost', But how you played the game." - Grantland Rice

runyr

#16394
May 11, 2008, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: JK on May 07, 2008, 10:44:55 PM
"ONLY" .600?  C'mon...that's nothing for LK.  Unless he has a run of 0-10 seasons, I think his career winning percentage will be safely above that threshold.

Does he still have above a .900 career winning percentage?  Pretty sure he does.  Sure enough that I won't check Ric's site to make sure.  Also sure that one of you Mounties will answer for me  ;D

Interesting anecdote:  A few years ago when I was at Fort Sill (that's in Oklahoma for you non military guys), the local sports station asked a trivia question.  "What NCAA coach has the highest career winning percentage?"  AS you know, OK doesn't have any D3 teams, so I was sure that they didn't mean "in any division."  But, they didn't say that.  So, I called in with my Larry Kehres answer.  They replied "Who?"  I told them LK was the coach at Mount Union in Ohio, the D3 school that had broken Oklahoma's consecutive victories streak, and that he had a career winning percentage over .900.  They didn't believe me, so I challenged them to look it up.  Their producer did, right on the spot, and confirmed my answer.  I won dinner for two and a friendship with the hosts that continues to this day.  Later on that season, they told me that they had watched the D3 championship game on ESPN, their first experience with D3 football, and they had a newfound respect for small school Football.

By the way, the answer they were looking for was Bob Pruitt from Marshall, who was in his last season there and who, of course, was bolstered by a 1-AA championship and several MAC titles before he retired and Marshall went on to become an uncompetitive C-USA team.  I believe Pruitt's career winning percentage at the time as .750-ish.
Great story, JK, thanks!
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