Future of Division III

[hickory_cornhusker]

Poo poo.

Houghton does not have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.  That doesn't help their case.

Phi Beta Kappa Chapter map

The person who plotted the location of the chapters messed up on several aspects of the maps, e.g., misspellings of member institutions, wrong locations.

Pomona College just south of Sacramento
University of California - Irvin
University of California Santa Barbara - just due west of Sacramento
University of California Los Angless

Louisiana State University where New Orleans is located.

Also apparently Augustana College got sick of the Quad Cities and moved to Southeastern Illinois.

[sunny]

Poo poo.

Houghton does not have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.  That doesn't help their case.

Phi Beta Kappa Chapter map

The person who plotted the location of the chapters messed up on several aspects of the maps, e.g., misspellings of member institutions, wrong locations.

Pomona College just south of Sacramento
University of California - Irvin
University of California Santa Barbara - just due west of Sacramento
University of California Los Angless

Louisiana State University where New Orleans is located.

Also apparently Augustana College got sick of the Quad Cities and moved to Southeastern Illinois.

Also, they have a Williams College just outside of Baltimore. Missed that mark by a wee bit ... 

[snowboy40]

Poo poo.

Houghton does not have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.  That doesn't help their case.

.....no football, hockey and lacrosse probably doesn't help their case either...

[Ralph Turner]

Poo poo.

Houghton does not have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.  That doesn't help their case.

.....no football, hockey and lacrosse probably doesn't help their case either...

I think that the NEAC has real up-side to it.  Where Houghton is located, they can build a reputation when they play the E8, SUNYAC and LL in  non-conference.

I think that it is good move for Houghton.

[Knightstalker]

Poo poo.

Houghton does not have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.  That doesn't help their case.

.....no football, hockey and lacrosse probably doesn't help their case either...

I think that the NEAC has real up-side to it.  Where Houghton is located, they can build a reputation when they play the E8, SUNYAC and LL in  non-conference.

I think that it is good move for Houghton.

They want to move with a conference that has top level competition for their soccer, basketball and cross country and track and field programs.  That is not the NEAC.  At this point they are only interested in the two conferences previously mentioned.  Their soccer program is top notch and can compete with the best of D-III already, cross country and track and field are also very good

[Ron Boerger]

The point that you seem to deliberately ignore is that the primary focus of the NESCAC is not athletic prowess but academic achievement.  Houghton coaches can want to join the conference all they want, but the NESCAC won't seriously consider their application.   

Founded in 1971, the New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) is a group of eleven highly selective liberal arts colleges and universities that share a similar philosophy for intercollegiate athletics. The Conference was created out of a concern for the direction of intercollegiate athletic programs, and remains committed to keeping a proper perspective on the role of sport in higher education.

Houghton's not a 'highly selective' college as stated by others already.   It's simply not on the same level, and the NESCAC isn't going to lower their standards for anyone. 

[Knightstalker]

I am not ignoring that or discounting that.  I am just reporting news straight from the horses mouth so to speak and people seem to doubt that this is being discussed between Houghton and the NESCAC.  The information I got is that Houghton and the NESCAC were discussing membership.  That is all I ever reported and that Houghton is also interested in the Empire 8 and that they are the only two D-III conferences that Houghton is considering at this time.  Other people are stating that I am mistaken and that it must be the NEAC they are discussing.  I was not actually given a name, I was given the names of other conference members of the conferences they are in discussions with.  I was told that Houghton was discussing membership with the conferences that Williams, Amherst and Hamilton are a member of and that Ithaca, SJF and Alfred were members of.  What does that say to you?

[smedindy]

Hamilton's in the Liberty League. That makes a lot more sense than the NESCAC.

[Ralph Turner]

Hamilton's in the Liberty League. That makes a lot more sense than the NESCAC.

Hamilton was a dual member in the LL and NESCAC, but they have migrated to the NESCAC over the last year or two.

http://www.wktv.com/news/sports/local/43122562.html

[Pat Coleman]

Not yet, however. Hamilton isn't yet playing basketball in the NESCAC again.

[Ralph Turner]

Hamilton's in the Liberty League. That makes a lot more sense than the NESCAC.

Hamilton was a dual member in the LL and NESCAC, but they have migrated to the NESCAC over the last year or two.

http://www.wktv.com/news/sports/local/43122562.html

Not yet, however. Hamilton isn't yet playing basketball in the NESCAC again.

Right.

The presidents of the 11 colleges comprising the New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) voted at their regular meeting in Maine on April 15 [2009] to integrate Hamilton fully into conference play effective with the 2011-12 academic year.

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[David Collinge]

I was told that Houghton was discussing membership with the conferences that Williams, Amherst and Hamilton are a member of ...

We can debate all night whether Hamilton is a full-fledged member at this particular moment, but it does not change the fact that the conference referred to in this statement clearly is the NESCAC.  Whether any of us believe that Houghton is likely to end up in the NESCAC is another matter; all Knightstalker, whose credibility I do not doubt, is saying is that they are discussing it. 

Maybe it's like that time in high school when I asked the head cheerleader to the prom: as long as she was still doubled over in laughter and hadn't managed to get the word "no" out, we were still officially discussing it.

[Pat Coleman]

Hamilton's in the Liberty League. That makes a lot more sense than the NESCAC.

Hamilton was a dual member in the LL and NESCAC, but they have migrated to the NESCAC over the last year or two.

http://www.wktv.com/news/sports/local/43122562.html

Not yet, however. Hamilton isn't yet playing basketball in the NESCAC again.

Right.

The presidents of the 11 colleges comprising the New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) voted at their regular meeting in Maine on April 15 [2009] to integrate Hamilton fully into conference play effective with the 2011-12 academic year.

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Right -- it's just that "migrated to" is past tense, suggesting completion of the process.

[Ralph Turner]

Hamilton's in the Liberty League. That makes a lot more sense than the NESCAC.

Hamilton was a dual member in the LL and NESCAC, but they have migrated to the NESCAC over the last year or two.

http://www.wktv.com/news/sports/local/43122562.html

Not yet, however. Hamilton isn't yet playing basketball in the NESCAC again.

Right.

The presidents of the 11 colleges comprising the New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) voted at their regular meeting in Maine on April 15 [2009] to integrate Hamilton fully into conference play effective with the 2011-12 academic year.

....

Right -- it's just that "migrated to" is past tense, suggesting completion of the process.

Thanks.   

[smedindy]

Well, alrighty then!