Future of Division III

[Coach C]

So it seems!

C

[E-E-E-E.UNIT]

im with coach c on this one... my goodness

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Well its seems as if we're not talking about anything right now.

[Ralph Turner]

The original impetus of this board was to have a place to discuss the initiatives on which the NCAA voted in January.

The most recent editions of the NCAA News have contained little substantive material that would seem to impact D3.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Way to ruin our fun, Ralph.

I'm sure they'll get back to making bad decisions soon enough.

[johnnie_esq]

To get things talking, since the D-3 Financial Aid Report is in the review process, here's the NCAA's blurb on MacMurry College tennis program. 

One thing that I don't get as clear is the penalty for awarding more aid to athletes than non-athletes.  Since the NCAA cannot take away scholarships or recruiting privileges, and my assumption that a broad retroactive vacating of all "honors" would be harsh (why should the clean basketball team suffer if another part of the department is not-- I'm not sure if the NCAA can narrow down data to that level), what does the NCAA do to penalize? 

Postseason ban?

[Ralph Turner]

To get things talking, since the D-3 Financial Aid Report is in the review process, here's the NCAA's blurb on MacMurry College tennis program. 

One thing that I don't get as clear is the penalty for awarding more aid to athletes than non-athletes.  Since the NCAA cannot take away scholarships or recruiting privileges, and my assumption that a broad retroactive vacating of all "honors" would be harsh (why should the clean basketball team suffer if another part of the department is not-- I'm not sure if the NCAA can narrow down data to that level), what does the NCAA do to penalize? 

Postseason ban?

Please note that MacMurray College (Vanna, can I buy an "A"?) is in Illinois.

McMurry University is in Texas.

Johnnie, if I remember correctly, this case had to do with international tennis scholarship players who were dropped at Scholarship schools and this situation involved getting them to come to MacMurray.  The financial aid may have components of various aid packages that are available to international students.

[johnnie_esq]

No worries, RT-- I wasn't implicating McMurry.  The article notes that MacMurry is in the midwest, so I figured out the distinction pretty quickly!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

No worries, RT-- I wasn't implicating McMurry.  The article notes that MacMurry is in the midwest, so I figured out the distinction pretty quickly!

You just have to be careful about the rest of the lurkers.

[Ralph Turner]

 

[Gregory Sager]

Please note that MacMurray College (Vanna, can I buy an "A"?) is in Illinois.

You'd better buy an extra 'a' from Vanna while you're at it, Ralph, as Johnnie keeps forgetting the one between the 'r' and the 'y'. 

I wonder if the late actor who starred in Double Indemnity and The Absent-Minded Professor and the TV series My Three Sons had as much trouble with his surname as Ralph's alma mater seems to have with the general public.

[Ralph Turner]

Most recent press release concerning expansion issues in D-III.

Membership Committee offers options for managing Division III expansion

This actually looks pretty reasonable.

I especially like the provision suggesting that the schools get up to the 5(6)-sport and 3-season requirements and submitting the plan of action before entering the process.  Then the NCAA might shorten the Provisional process.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I like limiting the class as well, especially if they shorten the provisional process.  Two in every year sounds about right.

[Gregory Sager]

I don't necessarily like the idea of limiting the classes. I think that any school that wants to get into D3, is willing to subscribe to the division's mission statement and code, and meets the offered-sports and seasonal requirements, ought to be able to join. But if D3 makes schools comply with the division's parameters before they enter the provisional period, as proposed in the second option (the one endorsed by Ralph), the class-size issue would take care of itself. And the commitment to D3 standards would've already been met before the school entered the provisional-period pipeline.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

That's kind of what I was referring to as well.  If the transitional period is shortened becuase they have to meet requirments first, we will only have one or two teams entering each year.