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[Cleveland Cartel]

Old Timer and Saints Fan,

Great imput on both sides.

We know this so far from the 2006 season:

1.  Thiel's level of competition in their first 3 games was better than any team in the PAC. 

Tmore first combined opponents records are 0-6.
Thiel first three including NAIA Geneva is 5-3.

Big Differential to start.

2.  Thiel losing a playmaker 2005 second team all american Brandon Chambers and Thiel's all time passing leader Darrell Satterfield who was also a two time all pac pick is a big void to fill.  Which has contributed to the low output of offense and teams beign able to fill more men in the box upfront to stopping the powerful Thiel running game of Minton and Hess.  Also losing All american and Aztec Bowl selection Dave Hendrix (Offensive Tackle) to graduation.

3.  Blankenship and trial by committe are trying to fill the shoes left by Dsatt and company just hasn't clicked yet this year, but a part of their game which has continued to excel is the Defense which is well coached and led by a commitee of players.  Defense is still a strong point for THiel which it always has been since the new staff arrived.

4.  Special Teams has been sound for Thiel so far this year and kept them in games.  Koyl's kicking abilities combined with blocked punts by Hughes has been the key to opening up games that the offense has really been non existent.

5.  Tmore has the defense to take them into the playoffs for the last two year atleast.  What has always hindered them is their lack of offense they have provided also.  Now did Tmore deserve to win last weeks game?  That's debateable, but just like Old Timer said Tmore had 107 yards of total offense, and they certainly didn't strike fear into this weeks oppenents the Yellow Jackets on the offensive side of the ball.   

6.  Is Tmore ready to compete and deserve the respect of WJ and Thiel?  Yes they do deserve their respect, but until Tmore puts together 4 quarters of solid football in all 3 phases of the game they will not have any status qou to be a heavyweight in this conference this year. 

Is Thiel a bad team this year not at all, have they played to their full potential no, have they put 4 quarters of football together no,  Thiel hasn't been bad but they haven't been great either, and beating Tmore last week it showed Thiel still has the mentality that they are the elite in the conference which they still are.  Even with the way they have played this year.

Now if the Bisons beat Thiel today i will be eating my words..... Knock on wood!!!

[Cleveland Cartel]

Regarding PapaBear93  remarks,

He was referencing Steve Minton i believe and i have a funny feeling he might be busting the chops of the Junior Running Back from Thiel.....

Just my assumptions though!!!

[Wes Mantooth]

Sounds like i struck a nerve with the Thomas More Faithful. Well i will tell you that i was mistaken in Mintons success at TMC and i admit that. At the sametime TMC lost the game and i still think Waynesburg on turf will run on TMC today and in a few days W&J will do the same. Their Defense is very good but i just dont think that TMC has got the full package to win the conference especially when you beat a non talented GCC team by one. I could eat my words once again so we will have to see.

[Cleveland Cartel]

Mantooth,


Good Comments and i think it will be competitive game but ultimately the lack of offense and the sound running game for the Yellow Jackets will wear down the Stingy Defense of Tmore.  They should win at home even though Tmore is veyr quick on defense having two or more backs running at you will wear you down by the time your late in the 4th quarter. 

Thiel is up 23-0 in the second quarter...Helping that score is two Bethany Turnovers early in the game, but not much offense for them as of now...But Bethany is driving now..

Westmin is also up 7-0 at Thorn Field in GCC...

[Cleveland Cartel]

30-7  Tomcats

Tomcats capped off by a Steve Minton dash into the endzone...

[SaintsFAN]

No nerve struck here....don't worry.  You'll KNOW when you do.  Ask Pat Coleman about that.

I agree that TMC has a long way to go to compete with W&J.  They are the benchmark of the PAC.  The PAC has had two teams in recent memory win the league title....one year was Thiel....and they won't defend their title this year. 

The Saints offense needs to step up a little, but they will with experience.  They are VERY young on offense. 

We are going to have to agree to disagree Oldtimer.  I was at the game and it was a slug fest.  The fact is the defenses for both teams was very good and it was played in sloppy conditions.  TMC deserved to win every bit as much as Thiel did... in FACT, Thiel tied the game on a 4th down pass VERY late in the 4th quarter.  THAT play deflated the Saints and it wasn't to be.

[SaintsFAN]

and Wes...props on being correct on the game today between TMC and Waynesburg.  Not sure if they ran all over TMC though, and it sounds like the Saints gift wrapped two TD's by fumbling inside their own 25 and 8 yard lines today.  One thing....TMore did NOT run the ball well today and put it on the ground.  That equalled a loss.

[PittTBCW]

Congrats to Thiel, Waynesburg, and Grove City on their PAC victories today!!!

Looks like the show down is set up in Greenville next week that could ultimatly decide the fate of the PAC championship. I expect a great game and a fired up Tomcat crowd!!!

[TCLawMan93]

whats up guys, I am new to the whole post patterns thing.  I wanna start off by letting everyone know out there i am a true thiel tomcat and will always be till i die.  i am one of the orginal members of the thiel darkside defense and if you ask me one of the best defenses in the PAC in the past years.
I joined up for a few reasons one being i see a few of my boys are on here like Mr. Cartel and my fellow drinkin buddy Da Bull.  anyways the main reason i wanted to post is regarding the comments that PappaBear93 made about steve minton.  first let me start off by saying i am the orginal bear that wore the number 93 and as for his insults on steve not having a good game last week it sounds like to me that the pappa bear must have bee ran over a time or two by steve or maybe he got knocked around a lil bit by steves older brother a few years back which ever the case maybe i think my man needs to check out steves past stats and not jump to any conclusions on one game.  o and by the way when teams stack 8 or 9 guys in the box im pretty sure that might have an impact on steves numbers but to me thats more respect than stats.

[Cleveland Cartel]

LawMan,


Great Point about stackin 8 or 9 in the box.  It shows respect for the Thiel Oline and also what Steve has the capabilities to do, and Bethany found that out real quick they could not stack 8 or 9 all the time with LaScola back the kid had a monster day and Van Horn continued to be a solid possesion reciever also.  With the return of LaScola it gives Thiel the ability to open the Field up Vertically and allow for Minton and Hess to find more open running room.  THe showdown in Greenville is set.

Mantooth,

Solid choice with the victory for Shepas and the crew!  I agree with SaintsFan its hard to win when you fumble twice inside your own 20, but the Yellow Jackets still had to cash in on those opportunities and they did.  Those mental miscues have to stop in order for Tmore or any team to take the next step in winning a PAC title.

Can we say that Shepas is on the verge of somethign special if Waynesburg can win out here and challenges for the PAC championship?

[SaintsFAN]

lawman,

By all means welcome to D3 post patterns.  Its a great way to communicate your enthusiasm for Thiel and D3 football.  While welcoming you, I would also ask you to look at ALL the posts this week.  Papa wasn't dissing Minton, he was responding to someone's assessment that Minton ran all over a defense, when in fact the stats said otherwise....nothing more, nothing less. 

Before you start flapping about who the real 93 is and who ran over who....just remember the person behind the screenname could be a no name former walk on or someone who revolutionized his position on defense.  At no point did Papa ask who the original 93 was....but I guess we now have an idea. 

Congrats to Thiel on picking up their program from where it was....to where it is.  I think its a great story, but like any great team....and I think the Tomcats are still alive in the PAC obviously and TMC is probably not with yesterday's loss. 

[SaintsFAN]

Cleveland,

I agree most times with your assessment but this time the two drives that resulted from the fumbles could have been ran by a 9th grade offensive unit.

Couple the sudden change in possession with the emotion of it and those drives were pretty easy for the offense.  Yesterday it was the difference between winning and losing.

Who Dey?

[oldtimer4774]

Saintsfan,

Why are you so confident that Thiel will not defend their title?  Just a question.  It seems to me they have played much better competition than W&J so far.  It also seems their offense is clicking now...doesnt seem like your even giving them a chance next week?

[Cleveland Cartel]

Saints Fan,

I got a good laugh out of the 9th grade offensive unit line from your previous quote. 

You still have to execute and do it against a tough Tmore defensive unit.  Turning the ball over in your own redzone should merit atleast 3 points, but against a tough Defense with the likes of Carslisle and West, if they hold Thiel to 3 points on those redzone attempts Tmore is victrorious.  Whether its a 9th grade team on offense or not Thiel had to get through the best defense in the PAC to help send the game into overtime.

That's all part of the game with preparation and being mentally focused.  I know personally Thiel's staff is rarely outcoached and are the players not mentally focused. 

Who Deys are in a tough matchup right now and i need Chad Johnson to get me some fantasy points in my leagues!

[Cleveland Cartel]

Judgement week started a few weeks ago with PAC play but now we are starting to get into the thick of the season.  Both sides will be pumped and Thiel pulled the upset on WJ's homecoming last year, and WJ would love to return the favor in 06. 

Whoever can run the ball efficiently and get 4 yards on first down will win the game.

WJ has done a solid job running the ball with Mendle and their whole Oline still intact from last year. 

Thiel's stronghold as always been on the O and D lines, and they did a much better job saturday opening up holes for Minton and Hess to get through.

Who will run the ball efficiently on saturday?  WJ or Thiel???