FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[Cleveland Cartel]

Willy,

I do not expect Thiel's offense to put up a ton of points, but if Thiel can stop the Triple OPtion in the first half and hold them to less than 14 points, the game will belong to the Tomcats in the second half.  Just being able to defend the Option in the first half is the key.

[SaintsFAN]

BD,

You corrected yourself with Bob before, but I feel the same way he did about calling the win in St. Louis huge.  I do get what you are saying...

To answer the question:  Does CMU get in if Thiel wins going away...

NO:  If they decide that Linfield's 2 in region losses are good enough to put them in, regardless of what travel could be involved.

YES:  If the committee if looking at only at how much they'll spend with travel requirements. 

CMU's schedule is not the greatest as all have admitted, BUT they can't deny the Tartans a spot should they win out.  As Pat Coleman says " If the team wins all the games they have placed on the schedule, you have to reward them".

That said, I think Thiel has a great shot on Saturday should they play "assignment football" defensively.

[SaintsFAN]

SW,

I don't think you can base whether or not Thiel will score points based on what the BC players have said.  Keep in mind it will be Senior Day at Thiel and they'll want to go out with a bang.  Those seniors accomplished alot in their careers and no doubt will they be ready to play their final games as Tomcats....and their teammates should be ready to back them up.

We were always tougher in our final game if it was played at home...regardless of record.  Coincidentally the 1999 finale against Carnegie Mellon comes to mind. 

I remember the Tartan coaches being pissed thinking we ran up the score with a TD in the last two minutes.....but it was the effort of a senior who had never seen the endzone that produced that final TD.. you can't hold that against him.

[South Willy]

Saints Fan...

I'll give you the home field advantage but the rest of it's a wash. Both teams have seniors that got them to this point(CMU to a higher point this year), both have something on the line (spoiler/winning season vs Undefeated season/playoff berth). BC has been whipped by both but players and coaches felt CMU was the best team they played this season.

I'd enjoy seeing Thiel win the game. My point was it will be close and a 9-1 CMU with a competitve loss to 6-4 Thiel will go the playoffs. W & J then will then get the home playoff game in first round.

[Wes Mantooth]

I cant beleive its that time of the week again already. Regular season is coming to a end. Hearts will be played out this week as most in the PAC are playing their final games for some their last ever.

Lets start with MSJ-35 @ TMC-7

TMC can muster no offense with Stellmen out. The hefty lefty cannot throw the ball and it turns into a long day. Carlisle raps up his career with 15 tackles.

GCC-21 @ Merchant Marine-27

Dindinato continues to play well but has no answers for the Marines of the Merchant variety.

Waynesburg - 38 @ Westminster-14

Abels and Daniels finish up their careers with huge games as they both go over 100 yards. Cobb also throws a couple of scores. This one will not be close.

W&J -56 @ Bethany 14

Bethany comes out throwing and blitzing as they have nothing to lose. Talent is the key in this one and Bethany clearly doesnt have it yet. Mendel goes for 160 and 3 td's. Bob Swallow throws two to Tommy Mac and this game is over at halftime. On to the playoffs for the Prez.

AND NOW.....PREPARE YOURSELF FOR THE THE GAME OF THE WEEK

CMU-17 @ THIEL-21

I cannot respect Cmu's schedule what so ever. Yes they are undefeated but come on 28-6 against Hiram. I just cant respect them. I look for Thiel to struggle early with the triple option then figure it out and shut them down. I look for Blankenship to throw a few scores. CMU D will give the Tomcats fits but i like them in this match up. CMU will not make the playoffs if they lose this game.

Good Luck to All

Go W&J

[BDTartan]

I respect your opinion Wes, but to defend the Hiram score, it was the first game of the year and the field was a slop-hole by the end of the first quarter.  Check out the pics in the CMU photo gallery.  Some of them you can't even see the numbers.

I haven't been around long enough to say whether CMU gets in with a loss.  But then again, I am pulling for CMU to win so..........

[BDTartan]

Not to offend anyone here, but I also thought it was funny that most people on here disagree with the gurus that only W&J is a vulnerable Pool B team if they lose.

[ADL70]

Seems to me it was pretty clear BTD was talking about the win against WUStL as "huge" in the CMU-UAA context not the national context.

[BDTartan]

Thanks cwru70.  That was my point, but these guys can take what I say how they want.  I'm not running crap on anybody here.  Just a friendly conversation.

[Bob.Gregg]

BD, I don't disagree with the gurus.

I have posted that Wesley, Whitworth and CMU are locks, regardless of this week.

I have posted that I believe W&J is in, even with a loss, but I'm not going to wager anything on THAT belief.


Saintsfan, the travel considerations are not supposed to enter the equation until AFTER the selections are made.  Travel is a consideration in the matchups of the teams IN the tournament, not in selecting which teams GET in.

[erniesfreestyle]

w&j 63 - bethany 0

see yinz in the playoffs

[Cleveland Cartel]

BD,

I believe CMU will get in regardless at this point also, but you should by looking at your schedule.  It is weak and I would put a 7-2 Linfield team in close consideration against CMU's 9-1 or 10-0 team record.  We don't know if you dodged teams or not, bottom line is your schedule is the worst for any undefeated team right now. 

Maybe a loss in the last week of the season will be a wake up call of how hard you need to play in the playoffs, and maybe your guys wont need a loss and realize the implications.  Take matter in your own hands and force the board to give you a bid with a unblemished season.  Who knows what will play out tommorrow. 

I give you credit no matter what the schedule says you still have to win out and you have done that.  Congrats.

CWRU70,
Of course anything that is stated in this conference is going to be perceived nationally.  I do not mean this in a negative way but this is a PAC forum. and we are not going to be thinking in a UAA state of mind.  We reflect our values to teams of this conference.  We are either ex players, fans and followers of these teams.  I like the conversations we have with BDTartan and yourself and urge you to stay here.  Cause we will talk about your teams also.  Interesting topic with conflicting sides and beliefs. 

[SaintsFAN]

What do you guys expect BD and cwru??  Across the nation, CMU is going to have to do well and earn some respect.  9-0 against weak competition....THAT's the way it is.  Same thing that Thiel went through last year....on here AND on its opponents threads they took a shellacking.

I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I swear its nothing personal against you.

[AC24#724]

Swammys' PAC year end seasons selection, now that I am off the Road and can make some picks:

TMC 10
MSJ 24

GCC 14
MM   21

Westminny 10
Waynesburg 23
Weather could cause some havoc for both teams strength, Jackets run games with sloppy field slows down somewhat of speed here , QB at Westminny with slippery ball throwing could pose problems. . Hope the rain holds off till at least half time.
Waynewsburg Senior' s going out with win. Career Records in Books for Abels, records broke from 1966 Rushing yards, Scoring and most TD's......, Daniels also on charts in records books for Jackets as well, All purpose yards and rushing yards. Maybe a little sweeter with win against previous Coach at Waynesburg-Hand.

WJ 42
Bethany10
Another maybe sloppy track here, Run game.O line will be too much for Bethany who had difficult time stopping run game most of season. Not hardly expecting upset here but maybe some calls go big green's way......
not likely..to even keep it close???

TC 17
CMU 21

CMU has some better talent than folks are giving them credit for, yes not to tough schedule but do have some nice dimensions with offense with QB throwing and RB's, not swifty backs, but run hard and have some size there. This should be good match-up to see how TC Defense does against option stuff and also key is how effective TC can run ball that opens things up more for QB.
Payback from last year loss  in store here
Good Luck to all teams for 2006 season on what is yet to come down the road

[BDTartan]

No hurt feelings here.  I understand CMU has a very weak schedule.  I would love to see them get some stiffer competition next year in their two open dates.  Don;t know who would be available, but right now they've got there three UAA games, home games against GCC and Allegheny, and away games with Rochester, Randolph-Macon, and Bethany.  That's next year with two open dates and 16 starters returning so.................

I also understand that the PAC is a much more national conference than the UAA which is why I said what I said to cwru70. 

And I agree with AC, the schedule may be weak but that doesn't say a whole lot for the talent at CMU.  First 1,000 yd. rusher in 16 years and only the second to do so at CMU.  Another RB averaging 7.5 per carry.  And a stingy defense that only gives up 8 points a game(I know, weak schedule).  Given this wealth of talent and a good majority of it returning in 07' I would like to see CMU get some tougher opponents next year.