FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

Bigernernwj69 · August 31, 2007, 08:44:30 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 30, 2007, 02:23:45 PM
What would Waynesburg be required to do about someone who isn't enrolled?

He was at the first four days of camp before he quit, therefore i think he had to be enrolled to come to camp. i wonder if football was another factor in his depression, either way it is a sad event.

Burgh,
You guys were pretty bad ace back in the day. I mean your resume speaks for itself. What position did you play? Do you still go to the games at Cameron? (I call it Cameron because its a beautiful place and its all I have known it as). I bet you rocked out at Carnival when you went to school, I wish they had that when I was there.

What's the big match up this weekend? What are some of the predictions for the weekend?

Saint-who does Thomas More have?

SaintsFAN · August 31, 2007, 10:52:18 AM

Thomas More is AT Hanover on Saturday...should be an interesting start to the Hilvert tenure at Thomas More.

He's put together a very good staff of young, enthusiastic coaches. Once everyone gets the hang of how they want the game to be played, the Saints are going to be a tough team to face.

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Definitely should be a wide-range of factors that would push an 18 year old kid to do such a hideous thing. As it has been said before, its not just one life but two that have been snuffed out here..

SaintsFAN · August 31, 2007, 11:32:46 AM

I'd say the big games this weekend are:

CAPITAL at WITTENBERG
UW–LA CROSSE at HARDIN-SIMMONS
ROWAN at CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT

and Tennesee at Cal Berkley (Go Golden Bears)

SaintsFAN · September 01, 2007, 08:09:27 PM

good win for TMC today at Hanover in the final meeting between the two rivals. Final was 40-24, I wasn't there so I"m not sure what went down.

Thoughts on week 1??

oldtimer4774 · September 02, 2007, 02:15:27 AM

If the Thiel offensive line doesn't start playing better it might be a LONG year for the Tomcats

They gave up 6 sacks and the team rushed for negative yardage--Ouch...... $:-\$

PittTBCW · September 02, 2007, 10:12:46 AM

Minton only had 20 yards on 17 carries as well!

Hopefully they can have a good week of practice and get back on track!

SaintsFAN · September 02, 2007, 01:23:08 PM

Sounds like Thomas More has found a good player in their freshman QB. In making his first start he completed his first 7 passes (2 for TD's) and is very mobile. They also have a big and quick freshman LB who made 8 stops yesterday. Rashawn West at CB makes the Saints better on defense...

OldPhart · September 02, 2007, 01:54:51 PM

Quote from: PittTBCW on September 02, 2007, 10:12:46 AM
Minton only had 20 yards on 17 carries as well!

Hopefully they can have a good week of practice and get back on track!

It didn't look like Minton, Hess, or Bova were doing that poorly - it genuinely looked like an O line problem to me. The only way the QB had the time or the RB had a hole looked to be when Thiel was holding - whether it was called or not.

Thiel D gave up a LOT of yards but a lot of those came on the two long TDs from Geneva - one where the middle screen worked to perfection against a Thiel blitz and the other where the D "thought" the runner was down - but apparently had rolled over the pile and trotted off to the end zone for an easy score. The only red zone score against the D came off of a drive that only stayed alive due to untimely, and quite avoidable, penalties on 4th and 3rd downs.

Despite being thoroughly outplayed, take those two penalties and the corresponding points away from Geneva and Thiel's late game drive (stalled within Geneva's 10) using the two-minute offense could have put the Tomcats in reach of stealing the game away from Geneva.

My thoughts is that the D is fixable by playing smarter and making some adjustments - a couple of penalties and giving up the two big plays made a HUGE difference. The O line needs work.

Other thoughts about the conference: is perennial NCAC "top half" school Allegheny having a down year or is Westminster ahead of where we thought they would be? Coach Hand has a way of bringing along a program quickly, but I was looking to 2008 being the breakout year for Westmin.

PittTBCW · September 03, 2007, 05:38:46 PM

Old Phart,

Thanks for the input. I was not at the game but alot of people I know went and they said the o-line showed their age. I meant by Minton only having 20 yards on 17 carries that normally if the run game doesn't go neither do the Tomcats. When I saw the rushing statistics I knew they had a rough day. Hopefully then can bounce back this week.

Bigernernwj69 · September 04, 2007, 09:32:03 AM

Will we see the Tomcats of old? It would be tragic if the Tomcats did not finish in the top three spots. I know it is only the first game and the first game is usually the game to get the kinks out, but there was no offensive production. Do you guys think W&J can fair well against Geneva? I think W&J has more weapons on Offense then Thiel, but only time will tell if the Presidents can fight off the new PAC foe. How about Westminster beating the Gators, does the Titans have what it takes to make a run in the PAC or are the Gators that bad of a team? I figured with the new Facilities that are going up that recruiting would be easier for Allegheny and kids that were already there would play with a little emotion. I guessed wrong. What are the big games this weekend?

How did Grove City look? I know they lost but was curious on their game play.

South Willy · September 04, 2007, 02:22:10 PM

How about the freshmen performances in the PAC the first week!!!

Everyone talked about the W & J/MU scrimmage last weekend. Can you imagine being down 52-0 after one quarter? MU needs to schedule a couple D2 schools.

Looking forward to BC getting started this week and should have a good chance of a win at Hiram. A more experienced wide open offense from last season but the defense will need to improve consistency to be competitive even with mid level PAC foes. 18 starters back which will help.

OldPhart · September 04, 2007, 05:14:04 PM

Quote from: South Willy on September 04, 2007, 02:22:10 PM

Looking forward to BC getting started this week and should have a good chance of a win at Hiram. A more experienced wide open offense from last season but the defense will need to improve consistency to be competitive even with mid level PAC foes. 18 starters back which will help.

My view is that, barring extraordinary circumstances, a BC win is pretty much foreordained. But the margin of victory is worth discussing. The NCAC pick 'em line has the Terriers as 28.5 point dogs. Even so, the majority of picks favor Bethany. The NCAC board has given me no reason to think that Hiram is making any kind of turnaround. I think that anything LESS than a 17 point win by BC should worry Bethany followers.

PittTBCW · September 05, 2007, 09:45:49 AM

Quote from: Bigernernwj69 on September 04, 2007, 09:32:03 AM
Will we see the Tomcats of old? It would be tragic if the Tomcats did not finish in the top three spots. I know it is only the first game and the first game is usually the game to get the kinks out, but there was no offensive production.

I don't think you will see the Tomcats of old ever again. Just because they lost one game to Geneva doesn't mean it is time to start questioning what is going on at Thiel. The PAC is going to keep getting better and finishing out of the top 3 this year would not be good for the Tomcats but definatly not tragic. I think you will see that Thiel is a respectable program now and will not return to the cellar dwellers of the PAC. They have alot of first time starters including a qb. Be patient and let things playout this year. They also had to revamp their staff after many coaches left for new jobs at higher levels or head coaching positions elsewhere. I know Coach Leip and the Tomcats will come together sooner than later.

gottaloveit · September 05, 2007, 11:38:26 AM

As long as Leip is there you won't see the Tomcats of old. I was at the game Saturday and i can say that it came down to who won the battle at the line of scrimmage. Thiel's offensive line is young, they are only returning two starters. Once these young guys get some playing time under their belt Thiel should be able to win football games. As for Thiel's defense they had a couple breakdowns but they appear to be solid. They were on the field alot and towards the end of the game seem to look at the scoreboard hopelessly with a struggling offense.

This is only week one. Hopefully they can be 1-0 next week!

SaintsFAN · September 05, 2007, 12:54:07 PM

Quote from: South Willy on September 04, 2007, 02:22:10 PM

Everyone talked about the W & J/MU scrimmage last weekend. Can you imagine being down 52-0 after one quarter? MU needs to schedule a couple D2 schools.

You need not worry about Mt Union's non-conference opponent for the next couple years... SJF comes to Alliance next year for a playoff rematch of 06, with MTU paying a visit to SJF in 09.