FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

Cleveland Cartel · September 12, 2007, 05:27:38 PM

South Willy,

I do not believe Thiel has the Hogs upfront on the offensive line maybe even on the defensive line to challenge for the PAC Championship. Overall it seems as if its a down year in the PAC. WJ does not seem to have its star studded class, Waynesburg lost a good amount of talent at skill positions, and from observing Thiel's first two games it seems as if they are rebuilding after 4 strong years of competing for the PAC Championship.

Westminster and Grove City seem to have talent and are very competive if not dominant in their early games primarily WESTMINNIE, but i dont see them to be a huge threat to WJ or Waynesburg.

Bethany on the other hand seems to have made solid progress with the new coaching staff and could very well surprise this year. Victories over ST V, GCC, WestMIN, and Thiel are real possiblities this year.

Thomas More seems to be very strong on the defensive side of the ball as usual, and their offense also seems to be ahead of the curve from last years team at this time.

Overall I believe the PAC is rebuiliding with new faces this year and it should be exciting to see who makes the most progress.

Good Luck to the PAC this week.

SaintsFAN · September 14, 2007, 07:54:11 AM

Thoughts on this week's games?

Thomas More hosts Grove City....a team picked by a couple people in here to surprise this year....Hanover at W&J.... Will Geneva continue to play strong with their leftover partial scholarship guys?

Wes Mantooth · September 14, 2007, 08:27:07 AM

My thoughts on the games this week end.

Geneva 28 @ Westminnie 0

QB for Geneva is very good and he will dominate this game with 3 TD's(2 pass 1 rush)

Grove City 6 @ TMC 18

Defensive slug fest in this one as GCC held down the Tartans last week and keep this one close as well. Collier has big game rushing with 125 and two TDs.

Saint Vincent 0 @ Bethany 27

Bethany Jumps out to 2-0 as Joyner rips up the latrobe boys pretty good. im thinking 225 passing another 40 on the ground and 3 tds.

Thiel 21 @ Albion 18

Thiel finally gets in the win column with two defensive Td's early and holds off the rally. O still struggles and does enough to keep the victory with a late Minton TD romp.

Hanover 17 @ W&J 56

Hanover has no D what so ever and W&J has the normal explosive O. Look for fireworks early then Kleins boys take over on the defensive side. Swallow has a big game with 315 passing and 4 TD's. Mathews has big day as well with 140 rushing and 80 recieving. i cannot remember a better all purpose back in recent memory @ W&J.

Bonus Coverage.

Michigan 17 Notre Dame 0

Mallet throws two long TD's and Notre Dame shows how bad their offense is with no points against an awful Wolverine D.

Good Luck to All.

EC Warrior · September 14, 2007, 12:06:37 PM

Quote from: PittTBCW on September 12, 2007, 11:17:17 AM
I don't know if Swallows is the best to ever where the Red and Black....Dawson was pretty dang good. But I think Swallows is definatly a great qb.

I hope that Thiel will rebound this week. I am sure that Coach Leip and his staff is dissappointed and that he is taking full blame for the stuggle. Saying that I think the team and staff will work hard at fixing the mistakes and preparing and will be better this week. About competing for the PAC title I think they have this week and one more week before they get back into PAC action and aslong as they get things rolling in those two weeks they will be a factor in the PAC race even with a loss to Geneva.

if im starting a team, i would take swallow over dawson. ive seen both of them play over the years. swallow is doing so much more with way less talent. dawson had way better receivers, even though todd fry is the most overrated player in w&J history, he is still better than any of the WRs there now. the best part about 'cool bob,' is that he does not make mistakes. as a team w&J had 10 turnovers last year due in large part to his decision making. i would be interested to see how he stacks up numbers wise against dawson at the end of his career, even tho he will have one less year starting

OldPhart · September 15, 2007, 02:14:40 PM

An FYI for Thiel watchers. Albion is streaming video from http://media.albion.edu/sportsvid

SaintsFAN · September 15, 2007, 09:20:44 PM

Sounds like the turnover bug bit the Saints today at Beechwood HS.... 23-16 Grove City.

They held Thomas More out of the endzone in the closing minute...

Young team though...starting a true freshman at QB. The future is bright for the Saints. I like the direction Hilvert is pointing this team towards..

Darkside90 · September 17, 2007, 01:33:54 AM

Congrats to my Tomcats for getting into the win column!!! The YOUNG offense is getting better and Defensive stepped it up.

P.S
The Defense got after the QB pretty good (7 sacks on the day), especially Lorber. He has come a long way from the rookie I use to know, in fact, I may have to make way for a new SACK KING. I think he only needs about eight more to dethrone me. Good luck to him and the rest of the CATS, but hopefully I can hang on to the crown for a little longer

EC Warrior · September 17, 2007, 09:57:50 AM

welcome to the official Bob Swallow is the greatest QB in W&J History Fanclub. feel free to jump on the bandwagon

Bigernernwj69 · September 17, 2007, 10:06:35 AM

The coach for Hanover cannot wait for the season to end. W&J beat a team that was better off waking up and heading back to Indiana. W&J's Bobby Swallow took one record off the board on Saturday, tying Chris Edwards for 6 TDs in one game. The Presidents will roll through the regular season without any real problems. Maybe Waynesburg, but nothing really stands out. As for the playoffs the boys will have to tighten a few aspects of their game to make a run for the ship. As for the rest of the PAC I was happy for Thiel to get there first win. I did not want to go to Homecoming to see a 0fer team. Do you guys think that maybe Bethany and Westminster will beat Thiel to finally pull out of the bottom of the barrel? Now that the season is under way what do you think the standings will be now?

W&J
Geneva
Waynesburg
Grove City
Thomas More
Bethany
Westminster
Thiel
Saint Vincent

South Willy · September 17, 2007, 11:42:21 AM

Had a great weekend at BC with perfect weather and a record breaking offense. Running game producing really well which definitely opens up the passing game. First unit just scored at will in the first half.

Geneva will handle the Bison but I'm looking forward to a more competitive game than last year's blowouts to top ranked PAC opponents.

Big O · September 17, 2007, 11:55:35 AM

GCC is looking like a surprise team this year.
The Wolverines played two very good playoff teams tough
and beat TM on the road. TM was picked to finish 3rd in PAC.

oldtimer4774 · September 17, 2007, 01:06:10 PM

TMC was picked to finish 4th, not 3rd.

1. Washington & Jefferson (22) 196 10-2 (6-0)
2. Waynesburg (4) 148 6-4 (5-1)
3. Thiel (3) 147 5-5 (4-2)
4. Thomas More 115 6-4 (2-4)
5. Grove City 73 3-7 (1-5)
6. Bethany 68 4-6 (2-4)
7. Westminster 67 2-8 (1-5)

SaintsFAN · September 18, 2007, 12:11:58 PM

also...Thomas More is NOT the team that many thought they were during the Pre Season voting. As a result of a couple key injuries they are very young (freshman) at a few key positions... The inexperience showed on Saturday throwing 2 INT's in the endzone as they were trying to score.. However, that being said...GCC is improved though I don't think their win on Saturday is as big as it would have been without TMC's rough pre-season.

TMC is playing hard now...but will be a tougher game for the teams on their schedule later in the year.

SaintsFAN · September 18, 2007, 12:16:13 PM

by the way,

has anyone been to the Geneva website? go to their page and then click on "winning tradition" and tell me what you think.

bigern,

I'm afraid you're right....though I hope the young kids at TMC can provide some sort of scare for the Presidents.

Also Geneva can't finish in the conference standings. Looks like they still have some good partial scholarship players playing now as Westminnie did back when they made the switch. Will they follow the same path as Westminnie did??

OldPhart · September 18, 2007, 01:13:33 PM

Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 18, 2007, 12:16:13 PM
by the way,

has anyone been to the Geneva website? go to their page and then click on "winning tradition" and tell me what you think.

My thoughts are that everyone does PR as best as they can to sell themselves to recruits. I am guessing it is factually correct - although some of the rankings quoted seem to be a bit contrived.

I look at it as similar to W&J's "History" which notes "they have played in two Division III National Championship games in the past 10 years (1992, 1994)" (hmm - somebody might want to change that to 15 years now...). It sells the program as best as it can to the public and by extension to prospective players. Why not?