FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

Bob.Gregg · October 30, 2008, 08:53:15 AM

And, of course, the internet IS a medium...

Damn media, infiltrating all aspects of our life...

footballfan12 · October 31, 2008, 09:01:20 AM

Man, I have been away for too long. I have been following the conference all year. And now is the appropriate time to make some noise on the board.

Some of the teams in the conference have taken a turn for the worse. Thiel is beginning to look like the team that was the doormate of the conference at one point. Grove City is still the stingy team they have always been. Westminster is no where near the Waynesburg teams that Jeff Hand built, what is goin on? Thomas More is beginning to build a dynasty like before. I do not care much about Geneva or Saint Vincent because they do not count yet. Bethany is the team that just does not know how to win games. W&J the same as usual.

Now, SouthWilly are you always this negative of a person? Your head coach made a call to try to win the game and now you are saying you could do something better. I would love to hear your ideas since it is now a week after the game. I think your tone would be different if the Bison could have pulled out 2 out of the 3 games against GCC, Westminnie and Thiel.

I love the conversation between Pat and Bob Gregg, All I am going to say is Does W&J President even go to the games?

Last, W&J will beat Thomas More by 3 TDs. Thomas More is just a little young right now. As for the rest of the conference, Bethany will beat Geneva in a close one, Waynesburg will beat GCC in a rebound win, Thiel and Saint Vincent will be a close one but Liep will be ready.

Question: Is W&J really a top ten team in the country this year? Or are they a benefactor of a bad conference and weak non-conference games?

SaintsFAN · October 31, 2008, 09:56:53 AM

If W&J won by 21, I would be surprised. I do think W&J is a top 10 team. Their offense is unbelieveable yet again, led by Swallow at QB. He's a beast... and the 47 ppg avg is sick.

I think W&J has a great team, as usual. But I think Thomas More's offensive and defensive units have really come into their own since the John Carroll game. Remember, the Saints have played tough competition in week 1. They didn't fare very well... but they were still learning how to play together because of their youth, and they finished that game off strong with a length of the field scoring drive. I don't think you can call them a young team this late in the season.

The one "X Factor" will be the zebras tomorrow. I know they hate W&J and TMC ...probably even equally. Maybe we'll get a good game out of them too.

Its going to be a good crowd in Crestview Hills...just like in 2005 and I think this keeps it close.

PTR (as they used to say at Mount St Joe)

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2008, 10:55:15 AM

Yes, the President does attend W&J games when she's in town. She has spent a considerable amount of time recently dealing with a family medical issue. So, I'd probably leave that topic alone.

SaintsFan, how good IS John Carroll as a test? They haven't played the OAC's two unbeaten teams--Mount Union & Otterbein. They've lost to two .500 teams in Baldwin-Wallace and Ohio Northern. I'm looking at JC finishing 6-4.

I'm not going to give anyone 21 points at this point of the season, at least not with the numbers TMC has put up so far.

I AM hoping that Bobby Swallow plays a great game tomorrow. Not just puts up great numbers as he has in most contests this year, but plays a great game (and there is a huge difference).

I think the Saints spread run offense, with the ability to pass, will extend and challenge the Presidents' defense. Had this taken place a few weeks back, I would be much more uncomfortable heading in. The new system is in, and it is working. Players are much more comfortable and the front seven have really kicked it in.

I'm looking for an exciting game tomorrow. And looking forward to my return visit to Crestview Hills in 2010 when, I hope, the Press Box will be completed!

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2008, 12:14:12 PM

From a "tent" standpoint, at least it's going to be Sunny & 70 on Saturday...

SaintsFAN · October 31, 2008, 12:46:01 PM

John Carroll was a GREAT test.... I think they are better than everyone else on TMC's schedule, outside of W&J. They had 17 starters back from a 6-4 OAC team in 2007. In the OAC... ONU is better than their record (brutal schedule) and John Carroll forced highly thought of Capital into 9 turnovers two weeks ago in their meeting (forcing them from the top 25).

Sometimes 6-4 in the OAC is alot better than it appears.

No doubt these are the top 2 teams in the PAC (and will be for forseeable future). I'm anxious to see how far we've come since last year's debacle at Dixie Heights HS.

Bob, you're going to like our 2 Freshman RBs and of course, Collier and Stellman. Its truly a different team than it was last year.

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2008, 12:56:32 PM

Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2008, 12:46:01 PM
Bob, you're going to like our 2 Freshman RBs and of course, Collier and Stellman. Its truly a different team than it was last year.

I liked 42-0 last year....I hope you're not TOO different.

SaintsFAN · October 31, 2008, 01:55:03 PM

Well, I guess one of us is going home unhappy... Cheers to that.

Seriously... who do you think the refs favor in this game pitting the "Founder" of the league Presidents and the Red-Headed Stepchild Saints?

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2008, 02:24:14 PM

Saints,

I'm hoping the refs don't "favor" either team. Just call it as they see it and let the teams decide the winner, within the scope of the rules.

SaintsFAN · October 31, 2008, 02:47:58 PM

I'm convinced PAC officials can't look objectively at games.. Maybe this week, though

South Willy · October 31, 2008, 03:15:21 PM

Footballfan12...

Greetings... I never said it wasn't a call to win the game and in the end BC won the game. My thought was only that since your QB is the punter it might have been a nice idea to throw to uncovered wide out rather than short snap to a back with 9 guys on d-line to block a kick and with 5+ yds to get. By the way, WC allowed a cover man to run free all day so a fake punt-pass could have worked all day. Bison's first complete performance of the season.

Good luck SaintsFAN...Need a new champ in the PAC this season. Forget the officials, I haven't seen a good group all season in the PAC. They're worse than Florida high school refs. Yea, I know I'm to negative!!!!

the_burghboy · November 01, 2008, 04:18:05 PM

Congrats to Thomas More, who clearly outplayed and out coached W&J this afternoon.

It was a playoff situation, which usually leads to the Presidents laying an egg.

spikegrouchy · November 01, 2008, 04:31:48 PM

Quote from: the_burghboy on November 01, 2008, 04:18:05 PM
Congrats to Thomas More, who clearly outplayed and out coached W&J this afternoon.

Ditto...

OldPhart · November 01, 2008, 04:58:48 PM

Quote from: SaintsFAN on October 31, 2008, 09:56:53 AM
The one "X Factor" will be the zebras tomorrow. I know they hate W&J and TMC ...probably even equally. Maybe we'll get a good game out of them too.

Any thoughts about the reffing outfit that the PAC contracts with? The Thiel games that I have attended this year plus what I hear about other games suggest to me that there SHOULD be a better outfit to contract with than these - uhh, "gentlemen." The saving grace, from my perspective, is that they seem to be CONSISTENT in making questionable calls.

SaintsFAN · November 01, 2008, 05:08:44 PM

It just seemed like it was Thomas More's day... maybe W&J forgot about Collier with the hoopla about Knott and Owens... but Collier's back to back TD runs were back breakers.

My hats off to W&J... classy team, the players played very hard and I wasn't sure TMC had it in the bag until we broke the long run with 1:25 left... Swallow's receivers made some big plays today.

Look forward to Thomas More representing the PAC with class and dignity in the playoffs.