FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[ADL70]

Interesting Kickoff predicts a four way tie for fourth.

[jknezek]

Interesting Kickoff predicts a four way tie for fourth.

Must be tough to swallow coming from a conference that had 4 members! 

[ADL70]

PAC Kickoff Classic

http://static.psbin.com/g/j/652rz9hs7v6eb8/fb_cmu_games_notes14.pdf

CMU going with two frosh QBs.

[ADL70]

New uniforms honor M. Frank Rudy inventor of Nike's Air Sole (CIT '50)

http://thedaily.case.edu/news/?p=31714

[D3MAFAN]

New uniforms honor M. Frank Rudy inventor of Nike's Air Sole (CIT '50)

http://thedaily.case.edu/news/?p=31714

That is awesome. Uniforms look very nice.

[ADL70]

New uniforms honor M. Frank Rudy inventor of Nike's Air Sole (CIT '50)

http://thedaily.case.edu/news/?p=31714

That is awesome. Uniforms look very nice.

Those are the homes.

[ADL70]

Debs and PAC Commish on radio

http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=14183&f=3294493

[SaintsFAN]

Let me start off by saying Coach Hilvert and the Thomas More program are well beyond moral victories. 

That said, I'm encouraged by what Thomas More was able to do today in the season opener against a strong Wesley team.  A Wesley team that has won 66 of their last 70 games at home.  A Wesley team that has virtually everyone back from a team that fell a point short of beating Mount Union in Alliance last year in the National Semifinals.  Having been to three National Semi's in Alliance covering games for this website, I know how hard it is to compete with the Machine in December.  A loss is a loss but there are some positives from this one. 

*the line play -- Thomas More is bigger and more athletic than they've been at any other time under Hilvert.  I know they are excited about this.  And they held up today in Dover.  They won't see another DL as big and as talented as Wesley unless they make the tournament.

*the Saints found another RB to help balance the run game in CT Tarrant.  This goes nicely with the great receiver corps they have in Cohorn, Leonard, Vogelpohl and Winkler.  Teams are going to key on Hayden and the rest of the skill guys will take advantage of their opportunities. 

* return game::  the Saints again have some guys who can make big plays to help flip field position.

*the defense had a tough day- but all PAC LB Fishburn is back healthy after missing all of 2013 with an ACL injury. 

This was a program barometer game for TMC, and they are getting closer.  It's much better than the debacle in Belton, TX against Mary Hardin Baylor.  Thomas More's first game on the local ESPN radio station wasn't a victory but this will only sharpen their focus on the PAC games.  There's zero margin for error.  It will be exciting to see how much they improve between now and next week at Hanover. 

[wesleydad]

Saints, I agree with all points that you make.  The Saints are a good team from what I saw today.  They are a solid top 25 team.  They will be able to move the ball on anyone left on their schedule.  I have been watching the W and J game tonight and after a slow start they look pretty good too.  Your game with them will be a good one.  Hopefully the Saints players learn that the chirping done after the plays today is not necessary, they did not do it as much as Wesley, but they did do enough of it to take away from their performance too.

I like your QB, he gets rid of the ball quick and the receivers are gutsy.  Going across the middle is a tough thing to do against Wesley and many of the routes being run went to the middle of the field.  Good luck the rest of the season.  I will be watching.

[ExTartanPlayer]

"Goose Cohorn" has to be one of the best country-bumpkin names I have ever seen. Love it. Looks like the kid can really play, too.

[SpartanMom_2016]

Congratulations to the two PAC players named to D3football.com's Team of the Week:

http://www.pacathletics.org/news/2014/9/10/FB_0910145001.aspx

[WashJeff68]

Hello, Spartan Mom,

We live in East Tennessee and one of our neighbors has a nephew who plays for Case (or, to make all alums happy, Case Western Reserve).  You can tell where my allegiances lie by my screen name.  We plan on getting together the afternoon of October 25 to watch the game. Should be a good one. It's also W&J's Homecoming, so there will be a good crowd on hand to root for the Presidents!

Jeff

[WashJeff68]

Hello ExTartanPlayer,

When I was at W&J CMU was on the schedule and joined the PAC right after I graduated, but they left in 1989. Based on what I can find, W&J and CMU have played 63 times with CMU leading the series 32-26-5. The last time I think they played was 1989 which was when W&J was starting their major resurgence as a DIII power. I asked a friend who was a CMU Trustee why they had broken off the tradition, and he said CMU had decided to go a "different way." I didn't press him, and can only speculate why they decided to drop W&J and fill out their schedule with less competitive PAC football schools as they joined the UAA.

Next Saturday they renew their rivalry at Cameron Stadium. If W&J wins, it will be their 700th in program history. Here is who they will join in this exclusive club:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_football_teams_by_wins

Although the coaches will play this down, do you think W&J will be psyched to play for this historic win at home against a long time rival in a game that renews that rivalry? I know I'll be watching here in East Tennessee!!

Jeff

[ExTartanPlayer]

WashJeff,

I know very little of the nitty-gritty details behind CMU's decision to leave the PAC and stop playing W & J, as I did not come to the program until much later (played from 2004-07).  I have picked up, from comments that Bob Gregg has made on these boards when he used to post more, that it was not a particularly friendly split and that CMU probably made some comments that either were elitist, or were merely interpreted as elitist. 

When I was in the program, we played a number of nonconference games with PAC schools (Grove City 4x, Bethany 4x, Thiel 2x, plus a scrimmage against Waynesburg every year) so I felt quite familiar with the PAC schools and competition, and I'm happy to see CMU in the conference full-time.

Do I think W & J's players will be psyched?  Sure, but I think we (as fans) might overrate the potential galvanizing effect of things like "renewing a rivalry" - none of the kids playing in that game was even alive the last time W & J played CMU. Hard to imagine that the Prez players will derive any extra motivation from "CMU left our conference 25 years ago!"

With that said, I expect the Presidents to win comfortably, as CMU has been struggling of late and is clearly in a rebuilding season (starting a freshman at QB and with very few seniors overall) while W & J looks quite strong this year.  But it won't be because they were playing for the 700th win in program history, or because they're anxious to pay back  CMU for leaving the PAC in 1989.  It will be because they're a better team, period.

[SpartanMom_2016]

Hello, Spartan Mom,

We live in East Tennessee and one of our neighbors has a nephew who plays for Case (or, to make all alums happy, Case Western Reserve).  You can tell where my allegiances lie by my screen name.  We plan on getting together the afternoon of October 25 to watch the game. Should be a good one. It's also W&J's Homecoming, so there will be a good crowd on hand to root for the Presidents!

Jeff

Hello Jeff!  I bet it will be fun to watch the game with your neighbor.  It's always fun to have a friendly rivalry.

My youngest son is still in HS and we just hired a former W&J lacrosse coach to head our program.