FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[wally_wabash]

It really only matters should CWRU and TMC get paired up with one another for a game and who would be the likely host.  In addition to the SOS jump CWRU made today, WashU has to be lurking around just outside of the RRs and may slide in with ETBU losing today.  So the Spartans might get an RRO win there as well. 

SaintsFAN- I'm doing some housekeeping on my tables but I can't find any official word that TMC has the PAC autobid.  Is this confirmed anywhere?  I'm not questioning that they're getting it, just that I haven't found a release making it official. 

[SaintsFAN]

It really only matters should CWRU and TMC get paired up with one another for a game and who would be the likely host.  In addition to the SOS jump CWRU made today, WashU has to be lurking around just outside of the RRs and may slide in with ETBU losing today.  So the Spartans might get an RRO win there as well. 

SaintsFAN- I'm doing some housekeeping on my tables but I can't find any official word that TMC has the PAC autobid.  Is this confirmed anywhere?  I'm not questioning that they're getting it, just that I haven't found a release making it official.

No.  I haven't seen anything official just yet.  The only time I've seen it mentioned at all is on the Case website in a game story or pregame note.

[SpartanMom_2016]

9-0 should be ahead of 9-1.

Hi SpartanMom, hope you're well.  I've been in your neck of the woods a lot lately (and am headed to PB, tomorrow.  We are in one of three regions where an undefeated is behind a team with one loss.  To me, it's on case by case basis.  LAST WEEK, with Case's SOS number so low, I contend Thomas More should've been fourth.  Both are behind a 1 loss Hardin-Simmons, though.  I just think their schedule is stronger. 

For reference:  http://d3football.com/playoffs/2016/first-regional-ranking

If Case finishes unblemished, then I have no problem with it.  I don't think it's an accurate snapshot of the two teams, and that's my opinion. 

I really feel like TM is built for and is poised to make a run in the tournament.

Hi there.  We are all doing fine here in the land of sunshine.  I hope you enjoy your visit.

I also believe there are individual cases where a 1 loss team can be ranked ahead of an undefeated team.  However, the two teams in this case play in the same conference.  What that means is that the bulk of their schedules are similar. 

While Franklin is a good team it isn't the kind of team where the committee is going to overlook the loss over an undefeated team.  I agree that CWRUs SOS is low but so is Mount Union, and John Carroll and nobody ever questions the inclusion of those teams in the RR (nor should they be questioned).

[Pat Coleman]

The bulk of their schedules is similar but heck, they don't even play the same conference schedule. The committee takes into account all of the games, as it should. The conference takes into account whatever it takes into account.

[SaintsFAN]

The bulk of their schedules is similar but heck, they don't even play the same conference schedule. The committee takes into account all of the games, as it should. The conference takes into account whatever it takes into account.

It's not like I'm crazy here guys; D3's poll, South Region Fan Poll, The Top 25 Fan Poll all have the Saints polling ahead of CWRU.  There are some polls on Hansen's website that have Sparty in front of the Saints, though (composite rankings). 

The teams are very close.  My opinion is that TM is a little better.  I've watched both extensively this year. 

You gotta be careful using Mount Union as an example.  Their dominant history props them up because, well, no team really executes like they do.  They are truly a machine.  The North is a weaker region this year, as a whole, after you get below the three teams of Mount, North Central and Wheaton. 

[DagarmanSpartan]

Case's own athletic website said that STM had the auto bid, but regardless, I think that Case likely still gets in if it beats CMU and finishes as an undefeated champion of two conferences with wins over teams like Washington U. and Westminster.

[SaintsFAN]

Case's own athletic website said that STM had the auto bid, but regardless, I think that Case likely still gets in if it beats CMU and finishes as an undefeated champion of two conferences with wins over teams like Washington U. and Westminster.

Agree 110% - I don't think there's any way they get left out at 10-0.  Centre was in their shoes in 2014, and they got in.  I believe they were Pool C because the Pool B's were gone before they got to the table (because of a low SOS number).  They were sent on the road to a strong 1 loss John Carroll team and got beat 63-28.  John Carroll went on to lose two weeks later to Mount Union again.  Both of their games were one-score games that year against Mount Union.

[Bob.Gregg]

From Joe Onderko, PAC Executive Director:  "Thomas More has clinched the AQ via tiebreaker #3 even if CWRU wins and regardless of any other outcomes on Nov. 12."  That's fairly definitive.

[E.115]

Well then, in spirit of rivalry week, here's when Case Western Reserve vs Carnegie Mellon's Academic Bowl made it to ESPN College Gameday:





This is was during the 2013 season and if I remember currently, Kirk Herbstreit gave the shout out.

[ADL70]

Poll voters follow their own minds, the RAC has to follow the NCAA's criteria.

In the polls, I think TMC benefits from starting at #11 pre-season.  They fell to #22 after the Franklin loss, then leapfrogged Franklin to #20 after that team's Butler loss.  Since then the Saints have gained a spot or two each week climbing to #13, remaining there even after Franklin's second loss put a bit of tarnish on the quality of TMC's loss.

Whose best win is better -- TMC - W&J (or CMU) or CWRU - WashU (who beat CMU).

I think our consensus is 10-0 CWRU should be ranked by the committee higher than TMC.

More on CWRU-CMU later.

[E.115]

Missed this last week, but nice write up on Case Western Reserve:

http://m.herosports.com/news/d3-mens-football-case-western-march-towards-dominance-debeljak

[E.115]

Academic Bowl preview:


#21 CWRU Football to Host CMU with PAC Title & Undefeated Season on the Line

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/20161108ohlcqf

EDIT:

This is pretty cool, honoring the heritage:

Case Western Reserve will also be honoring the Case Institute of Technology – Western Reserve University rivalry at Saturday's game, with members of each of the schools taking part as honorary captains during the coin toss on Saturday.

[SaintsFAN]

New Regional Rankings are out:


South Region    SOS    Notes
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 9-0
2 Johns Hopkins 9-0 9-0
3 Hardin-Simmons 6-1 8-1
4 Case Western Reserve 9-0 9-0
5 Thomas More 9-1 9-1
6 Muhlenberg 8-1 8-1
7 Berry 8-1 8-1
8 Randolph-Macon 8-1 8-1
9 Huntingdon 7-1 8-1
10 Centre 8-1 8-1

[ExTartanPlayer]

Well, we needn't have worried all that time figuring out what the tiebreaker was in the TMC-CWRU scenario.

Carnegie Mellon 26, Case Western 21, FINAL.

Terrific game.  Proud of this Tartan team for keeping it together after a tough start with several close losses to finish 7-3, with a possible ECAC bowl bid coming...

Also congrats to Sam Benger, who broke my teammate Travis Sivek's career rushing record of 4,183 yards in the last game of his junior season.  Benger will have an outside shot at 6,000 career rushing yards if he stays healthy and maintains his level of production.

[SaintsFAN]

Well, we needn't have worried all that time figuring out what the tiebreaker was in the TMC-CWRU scenario.

Carnegie Mellon 26, Case Western 21, FINAL.

Terrific game.  Proud of this Tartan team for keeping it together after a tough start with several close losses to finish 7-3, with a possible ECAC bowl bid coming...

Also congrats to Sam Benger, who broke my teammate Travis Sivek's career rushing record of 4,183 yards in the last game of his junior season.  Benger will have an outside shot at 6,000 career rushing yards if he stays healthy and maintains his level of production.

With Mount Union losing, the playoff bubble will be very interesting. 

Sucks for Case and the PAC that their loss wasn't earlier in the season.