FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[WashJeff68]

W&J played a full 60 minutes and prevailed 46-21. Plenty of "glory" to go around.

Chances look good for a PAC sweep today.

[D3Navy]

Congrats Grove City!  Gritty win on the end.  Others now know, like you have all along, that you are NOT an underdog.  Best of luck the rest of the way!

[ADL70]

CMU defeats Brockport 37-7. A three-sweep for the PAC, the Rodney Dangerfield conference of D3 football.

[ADL70]

Obviously, the PAC did not get any respect as their 10-0 champ was sent on the road. They have a tough task ahead of them is Susquehanna, but I would not call them underdogs either. I see this as a close game and whoever wins it, will have earned the victory.  Obviously I am pulling for GCC.  Good Luck.

Until today, there was no way to measure how good the PAC teams were.

[mikefln]

Until today, there was no way to measure how good the PAC teams were.

Great win by GCC, as I figured it was a hard-fought game. Proud of W&J and CMU, they certainly helped the PAC's rep today for sure.  I hear you that there was no great way to measure the PAC before Saturday this season, but there is enough "history" on the PAC's side.  Plus there is also an eyeballs test.  You could just look at GCC, W&J, CMU, and CWRU and realize they are good teams that would give anyone a good battle even if they were on the losing side. 

As far as this week is concerned, it is much like last week.  It is a joke that an undefeated team is traveling to a team that has a loss.  It becomes even bigger of a joke when that one loss team lost at home to a team that the undefeated team beat away.  GCC should have gotten the home game (while not common, in D3 there is precedent for it) but again no respect given to GCC or the PAC.  I expect another hard-fought game.  It will still be anyone's game in the 4th qtr, and whoever wins it will have earned it.  Again, I am pulling for GCC and I wish GCC luck.

[Ice Bear]

Until today, there was no way to measure how good the PAC teams were.

Great win by GCC, as I figured it was a hard-fought game. Proud of W&J and CMU, they certainly helped the PAC's rep today for sure.  I hear you that there was no great way to measure the PAC before Saturday this season, but there is enough "history" on the PAC's side.  Plus there is also an eyeballs test.  You could just look at GCC, W&J, CMU, and CWRU and realize they are good teams that would give anyone a good battle even if they were on the losing side. 

As far as this week is concerned, it is much like last week.  It is a joke that an undefeated team is traveling to a team that has a loss.  It becomes even bigger of a joke when that one loss team lost at home to a team that the undefeated team beat away.  GCC should have gotten the home game (while not common, in D3 there is precedent for it) but again no respect given to GCC or the PAC.  I expect another hard-fought game.  It will still be anyone's game in the 4th qtr, and whoever wins it will have earned it.  Again, I am pulling for GCC and I wish GCC luck.

Congrats to GCC on a huge W! They are a very good football team and I'm very happy they showed their stuff against a solid Susquehanna team! Good luck this week!

[Pat Coleman]

It becomes even bigger of a joke when that one loss team lost at home to a team that the undefeated team beat away.

Mike, brackets don't work that way. They're set at the beginning of the playoffs.

[mikefln]

It becomes even bigger of a joke when that one loss team lost at home to a team that the undefeated team beat away.

Mike, brackets don't work that way. They're set at the beginning of the playoffs.

Not going to pretend to be an expert so please make sure I am understanding this right.  If Susquehanna won the game, they would have hosted the 2nd round over Cortland (or Endicott if they won), but because GCC won, they have to travel? 

Like I said in D2 the NCAA does have precedent of moving a game.  Around 10 years ago Cal U of PA hosted a 2nd round or 3rd round game when they were not supposed to because the NCAA felt them more worthy as a team to host over their opponent and liked CalU's facilities better.   Not saying its commonplace, but it has happened before, at least in D2.   

[Pat Coleman]

It becomes even bigger of a joke when that one loss team lost at home to a team that the undefeated team beat away.

Mike, brackets don't work that way. They're set at the beginning of the playoffs.

Not going to pretend to be an expert so please make sure I am understanding this right.  If Susquehanna won the game, they would have hosted the 2nd round over Cortland (or Endicott if they won), but because GCC won, they have to travel? 

Like I said in D2 the NCAA does have precedent of moving a game.  Around 10 years ago Cal U of PA hosted a 2nd round or 3rd round game when they were not supposed to because the NCAA felt them more worthy as a team to host over their opponent and liked CalU's facilities better.   Not saying its commonplace, but it has happened before, at least in D2.

Back in the days when grass was more prevalent, sometimes playoff games would get moved in D-III. But not because of the results from earlier in the tournament.

And yes, that's correct. Imagine Grove City as a 7 seed that beat the 2 seed and now has to go on the road to face the 3 seed.

[mikefln]

Thank you for explaining.  I thought in the past there was more "leeway" in who hosted.  And I know for fact about that Cal U of PA situation in D2, just can't remember the exact year. 

Even if GCC loses this coming Saturday hopefully next year they respect the PAC champ more.  It is such bs that an undefeated GCC/PAC champ has to be on the road all playoffs. If the PAC Champ has a loss or 2 so be it, send them traveling.  But total joke to send an undefeated team from a respectable conference traveling like that.

[Pat Coleman]

It's not really about "respectable conference" or anything like that. It's based on what your individual team did during the regular season, compared to what the other team did in the regular season.

In Division III, there has basically been zero leeway. It's only if someone's field gets torn up or there is a significant security issue identified at an early round game where it might endanger the student-athletes. Those instances have been fairly rare, and basically non-existent in the era where basically everyone plays on turf.

[IC798891]

It's not really about "respectable conference" or anything like that. It's based on what your individual team did during the regular season, compared to what the other team did in the regular season.

In Division III, there has basically been zero leeway. It's only if someone's field gets torn up or there is a significant security issue identified at an early round game where it might endanger the student-athletes. Those instances have been fairly rare, and basically non-existent in the era where basically everyone plays on turf.

It definitely would have happened to IC had they made the NCAA's in 2018. Turf is a lifesaver there

[ExTartanPlayer]

Didn't get to watch on Saturday, but heartbreaking loss for Grove City.

Congrats to the Wolverines on an excellent season and for representing the PAC well in the playoffs.  With GCC playoff win and very-near-miss for a quarterfinal berth plus Carnegie Mellon and W&J's playoff wins, hopefully it does continue nudging the national reputation of the PAC upwards.  I'm a little worried that next year with the closed-loop schedule we will get the same story as this year, so everybody had better go home and get cracking to try to win that conference title next year.

Congrats to all the seniors from all PAC schools, and best wishes in future pursuits.

[Ice Bear]

Didn't get to watch on Saturday, but heartbreaking loss for Grove City.

Congrats to the Wolverines on an excellent season and for representing the PAC well in the playoffs.  With GCC playoff win and very-near-miss for a quarterfinal berth plus Carnegie Mellon and W&J's playoff wins, hopefully it does continue nudging the national reputation of the PAC upwards.  I'm a little worried that next year with the closed-loop schedule we will get the same story as this year, so everybody had better go home and get cracking to try to win that conference title next year.

Congrats to all the seniors from all PAC schools, and best wishes in future pursuits.

Congrats to Grove City on an absolutely amazing season. They are an excellent football team and that was a tough way to lose on Saturday. Grove City and the PAC certainly earned my respect! Congrats and looking forward to paying more attention to the PAC next season.

[mikefln]

Didn't get to watch on Saturday, but heartbreaking loss for Grove City.

Congrats to the Wolverines on an excellent season and for representing the PAC well in the playoffs.  With GCC playoff win and very-near-miss for a quarterfinal berth plus Carnegie Mellon and W&J's playoff wins, hopefully it does continue nudging the national reputation of the PAC upwards.  I'm a little worried that next year with the closed-loop schedule we will get the same story as this year, so everybody had better go home and get cracking to try to win that conference title next year.

Congrats to all the seniors from all PAC schools, and best wishes in future pursuits.

Amen.  Not much more I can add.  Tanks for a fun and exciting season.