FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[Bob.Gregg]

In the season's final five weekends:

Waynesburg needs to win out and have TMC lose to somebody.
Wash & Jeff needs to win out and have Bethany lost to somebody.
TMC needs to win out and have W&J lose to somebody.

Bethany simply needs to win out, the only one in control of own destiny, at least, that's the way it looks from my vantage point, standing in the second row of my home press box....lol

[D3MAFAN]

In the season's final five weekends:

Waynesburg needs to win out and have TMC lose to somebody.
Wash & Jeff needs to win out and have Bethany lost to somebody.
TMC needs to win out and have W&J lose to somebody.

Bethany simply needs to win out, the only one in control of own destiny, at least, that's the way it looks from my vantage point, standing in the second row of my home press box....lol

I guess you could somewhat add Geneva to that category.

[Bob.Gregg]

Golden Tornadoes in same boat as Waynesburg:

Geneva needs to win out and have TMC lost to somebody.

[ExTartanPlayer]

In the season's final five weekends:

Waynesburg needs to win out and have TMC lose to somebody.
Wash & Jeff needs to win out and have Bethany lost to somebody.
TMC needs to win out and have W&J lose to somebody.

Bethany simply needs to win out, the only one in control of own destiny, at least, that's the way it looks from my vantage point, standing in the second row of my home press box....lol

Pretty amazing that Bethany is the only one totally in control of their destiny for now haha.  I think that'll be fairly short-lived, though, and it looks like W & J is in the best position from my vantage point since Bethany has a couple of games left where they clearly won't be favored.  I really thought TMC was going to run away with it this year, but the loss to W & J (especially given how decisive it was) puts an awfully big dent in that.

[SaintsFAN]

Golden Tornadoes in same boat as Waynesburg:

Geneva needs to win out and have TMC lost to somebody.

After what I saw when Geneva came to Bank of Kentucky Stadium, I'll venture to say it will be the 8th Wonder of the World if they represent the PAC in the tourney. Anything can happen, but..

I like TM to win out but as you said, they need help. I was out of the country last weekend and didn't see or hear anything while it was going on and was shocked when I was back in the states and turned on my phone. Shocked at the loss and the score. They'll bounce back like they did in the final 6 last year but I know they won't get in without the PAC Qualifier because of that final score.

[SaintsFAN]

TM has quickly taken control in Greenville. 28-7 at the half as Thomas More has rolled up 356 yards of offense in the 1st half.  Thiel scored on a 54 yard run by Josh Potter midway through the 1st Quarter followed by TM running off 21 unanswered to end the half.  The place kicking is still an area of concern as TM missed a 30 yard FG at the end of the half. The defense settled down after Potter 's TD run.

Hayden led all rushers with 140 yards and 3 TDs on 12 carries.
Gebhardt has a game high 164 yards through the air with 1 INT.
Leonard has 6 catches for 113 yards and a TD catch to lead all WRs.

Will be interesting to see how much these guys play in 2nd half as Thiel came in at 1-5.

[SaintsFAN]

TM has quickly taken control in Greenville. 28-7 at the half as Thomas More has rolled up 356 yards of offense in the 1st half.  Thiel scored on a 54 yard run by Josh Potter midway through the 1st Quarter followed by TM running off 21 unanswered to end the half.  The place kicking is still an area of concern as TM missed a 30 yard FG at the end of the half. The defense settled down after Potter 's TD run.

Hayden led all rushers with 140 yards and 3 TDs on 12 carries.
Gebhardt has a game high 164 yards through the air with 1 INT.
Leonard has 6 catches for 113 yards and a TD catch to lead all WRs.

Will be interesting to see how much these guys play in 2nd half as Thiel came in at 1-5.

And then 2nd half starts with a 75 yard TD pass by Radke followed up by a Genhardt INT returned 37 yards deep into TM territory but defense stiffens on 4th down and gives ball back to the offense. TM has also withstood a Thiel onside kick, forcing a punt.

[Bob.Gregg]

In the season's final three weekends:

Wash & Jeff needs to win out.

TMC needs to win out and have W&J lose to somebody.

Waynesburg needs to win out and have TMC lose TWICE.
Bethany needs to win out and have W&J and Geneva lose.
Geneva needs to win out and have TMC & Waynesburg lose.

At least that's the way it looks....

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks, Bob!  +1

[SaintsFAN]

In the season's final three weekends:

Wash & Jeff needs to win out.

TMC needs to win out and have W&J lose to somebody.

Waynesburg needs to win out and have TMC lose TWICE.
Bethany needs to win out and have W&J and Geneva lose.
Geneva needs to win out and have TMC & Waynesburg lose.

At least that's the way it looks....

W&J won't lose again until the tournament.

[Bob.Gregg]

It is entirely possible that Bethany could own wins over Washington & Jefferson, Waynesburg and Thomas More, and NOT earn the PAC AQ...In fact, with yesterday's loss to Thiel, the Bison are eliminated from the race.  That's what happens when you lose early to an expected challenger, Geneva, and late to Westminster (blocked punt for WC's only score in the final 2 minutes) and Thiel (missing PAT's and close in FG's, plus turning the ball over).


W&J clinches berth with home wins over Geneva, Waynesburg
Thomas More clinches berth with win over Bethany plus any W&J loss.
Waynesburg & Geneva, both having already lost to TMC, need help, and I'm not sure if there's enough help to be had.

How would this work:  Bethany>Thomas More, Waynesburg>W&J, W&J>Geneva.  Three way tie TMC, Waynesburg, W&J.  Split with each other, all lost to Bethany, and beat everyone else.  SOS would decide AQ (as I understand it), currently W&J (115th), TMC (158th), Waynesburg (212th).

[SaintsFAN]

I just don't think W&J is going to lose to either team. I saw Geneva in person and think W&J will score 60 on them. It's really not going to be close. W&J just needs to take them seriously for a half and then put in the young guys.

[Bob.Gregg]

Best I can figure---

IF Bethany beats Thomas More and W&J tops Geneva, W&J clinches AQ.  Best that TMC & Waynesburg could do is create three-way tie.  W&J has a much better SOS and would win that tie breaker.

[ExTartanPlayer]

I just don't think W&J is going to lose to either team. I saw Geneva in person and think W&J will score 60 on them. It's really not going to be close. W&J just needs to take them seriously for a half and then put in the young guys.

Geneva is a weird team. They have put up some very good offensive performances this season (against suspect defenses, but still, I saw them in person and was quite impressed by their offensive tempo) and I really figured they'd be good enough to score at least a couple times on anyone (even if their defense can't stop anybody).  I know that TMC totally blitzed them on both sides of the ball but that performance looks like a bit of an outlier to me, so I wouldn't judge Geneva based solely on that game, just as I would not judge TMC solely on the W & J loss (which still shocks me the week after Bethany beat W & J).

I do think the Presidents will handle Geneva, but wouldn't expect a one-sided slaughter because TMC crushed Geneva and W & J beat TMC.  I just think you saw about the worst possible game from Geneva and the best possible game from W & J against TMC, but I think the true gulf between those teams is not quite THAT large.

[SaintsFAN]

I just don't think W&J is going to lose to either team. I saw Geneva in person and think W&J will score 60 on them. It's really not going to be close. W&J just needs to take them seriously for a half and then put in the young guys.

Geneva is a weird team. They have put up some very good offensive performances this season (against suspect defenses, but still, I saw them in person and was quite impressed by their offensive tempo) and I really figured they'd be good enough to score at least a couple times on anyone (even if their defense can't stop anybody).  I know that TMC totally blitzed them on both sides of the ball but that performance looks like a bit of an outlier to me, so I wouldn't judge Geneva based solely on that game, just as I would not judge TMC solely on the W & J loss (which still shocks me the week after Bethany beat W & J).

I do think the Presidents will handle Geneva, but wouldn't expect a one-sided slaughter because TMC crushed Geneva and W & J beat TMC.  I just think you saw about the worst possible game from Geneva and the best possible game from W & J against TMC, but I think the true gulf between those teams is not quite THAT large.

I get your point but Geneva looked BAD in Crestview Hills that day. Really, really bad. I just can't see them being competitive against W&J with what W&J has on the line.

And yes, Thomas More losing to W&J was a huge shock. I couldn't believe it when I saw the score. I was out of the country so I had no idea what happened. Would LOVE a rematch in the tournament but if TM makes it (a big "if" in my mind as who knows what the committee will make of them when they enter the discussion from the south) they won't be seeded high enough.

It's a really young team - they'll be really tough next season. Especially since they get W&J at home and during the day.