FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[Ralph Turner]

Per the regional rankings of last week, this mean Case Western Reserve gets a RRO win finally on its resume, correct?

South Region
1. Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0                          Pool B
2. Hardin-Simmons 6-1 +                           Pool C #1
3. Berry 9-0                                               SAA Pool A
4. Washington & Jefferson 8-0                      Pres AC Pool A
5. Johns Hopkins 7-1                                   Centennial Pool A
6. Centre 7-1
7. Case Western Reserve 8-0               10-0 CWRU Pool C #5
8. Franklin & Marshall 7-1
9. Huntingdon 6-1 +                                       USAC Pool A
10. Westminster (Pa.) 6-2

My projections to the right...

I think that Westminster falls off the list.
And we need to see if the RAC (Regional Advisory Committee) jumps CWRU over Centre

Thanks for the work on the projected outline.

So an "RRO win" only counts if the team is still regionally ranked at the end of the season, and not if they were ranked when they were knocked off?

Correct, no longer "once ranked, always ranked".

[SaintsFAN]

Well, Thomas More fell short of winning the PAC football  championship in it's final year, but both M&W soccer teams and volleyball won the conference.

I'm sure there will be more to come for TMC the rest of this academic year.

Its too bad.  But, onward... from what I hear the schedule is truly a national schedule next year. 

[MUC57]

HSCTigerfan

Last post on this subject.
Wow, you certainly are an angry person. I probably shouldn't have responded to your 1st post. Oh well. I'll sit back, relax and watch our QB take us into the playoffs. And with a good shot at a national championship (it would be number 13)! But, I don't have to explain that too you.
Good luck to the Tigers, yours, not Trinity Texas, Wittenberg, or any of the other so-called Tigers!
Take care.

[Ralph Turner]

Well, Thomas More fell short of winning the PAC football  championship in it's final year, but both M&W soccer teams and volleyball won the conference.

I'm sure there will be more to come for TMC the rest of this academic year.

Its too bad.  But, onward... from what I hear the schedule is truly a national schedule next year.

And going mano-a-mano in Pool B.


I have thought about Pool B next year and,

The ASC goes to Pool A. 8 teams plus McMurry should be re-classified in 2018.
WashU goes to the CCIW.
Finlandia goes to the MIAA.

Of hand, I do not remember the years for Ferrum and Southern Virginia to move to the ODAC but they are full members joining member conferences and does not change the numerator in the Ratio.

26 conferences with 228 members  =  8.76


NEWMAC  8
Independents 1.

Thanks to Thomas More, there should be 1 Pool B bid next year.

[HSCTiger fan]

HSCTigerfan

Last post on this subject.
Wow, you certainly are an angry person. I probably shouldn't have responded to your 1st post. Oh well. I'll sit back, relax and watch our QB take us into the playoffs. And with a good shot at a national championship (it would be number 13)! But, I don't have to explain that too you.
Good luck to the Tigers, yours, not Trinity Texas, Wittenberg, or any of the other so-called Tigers!
Take care.

Why did you leave the ODAC board?  I'm angry?  There's a lot of assumption in that statement. But I agree that you're right in that you probably shouldn't have responded.

[WashJeff68]

Well, Thomas More fell short of winning the PAC football  championship in it's final year, but both M&W soccer teams and volleyball won the conference.

I'm sure there will be more to come for TMC the rest of this academic year.

Its too bad.  But, onward... from what I hear the schedule is truly a national schedule next year.

SaintsFan,

I'm assuming that means that TMC will be an independant for at least next year, and I'm also assuming that applys to all sports. As I'm sure you know, that is a hard row to hoe. Good luck to the Saints. They were very hospitable to the W&J people when we went to a game there a couple of years ago ( Coughlin was QB but the game was over early). We lived in Cincinnati until 2004 and enjoyed the games W&J played against Hanover and MSJ. I suspect those days are over for a while. With 9 conference games that doesn't leave a lot of room, and I have no idea how W&J will use that game (warm-up or true test) but I'm sure Sirianni has a plan. Saturday he has a chance to become the winningest coach in W&J history, surpassing the coach who hired him, John Luckhardt.

Jeff in East Tennessee, where we are waiting to hear who will be the next coach for the
Volunteers.

[SaintsFAN]

Well, Thomas More fell short of winning the PAC football  championship in it's final year, but both M&W soccer teams and volleyball won the conference.

I'm sure there will be more to come for TMC the rest of this academic year.

Its too bad.  But, onward... from what I hear the schedule is truly a national schedule next year.

SaintsFan,

I'm assuming that means that TMC will be an independant for at least next year, and I'm also assuming that applys to all sports. As I'm sure you know, that is a hard row to hoe. Good luck to the Saints. They were very hospitable to the W&J people when we went to a game there a couple of years ago ( Coughlin was QB but the game was over early). We lived in Cincinnati until 2004 and enjoyed the games W&J played against Hanover and MSJ. I suspect those days are over for a while. With 9 conference games that doesn't leave a lot of room, and I have no idea how W&J will use that game (warm-up or true test) but I'm sure Sirianni has a plan. Saturday he has a chance to become the winningest coach in W&J history, surpassing the coach who hired him, John Luckhardt.

Jeff in East Tennessee, where we are waiting to hear who will be the next coach for the
Volunteers.

It sounds like they will be, barring something last minute coming up (but even that, would take a year to implement..I would think).   This, despite guessing going that an announcement was imminent in October.  TMC was independent for 9 seasons following the AMC Conference ceasing operations following the 1995 season.  I'm sure they have a plan but as you've mentioned, it will be tough for all sports to be independent.  There are now more sports in the athletic program than there were for those earlier Independent days. 

I would guess MSJ and Hanover will remain off the W&J schedule - I don't feel like MSJ would even entertain putting a program like W&J on the schedule.  Its crazy to think about what MSJ has become (there are some behind the scenes issues in Delhi for the school and program) after how good they had become from 2002-2006.  They were getting all of the Top D3 kids out of Cincinnati to play in Delhi and even built a new stadium.  Then, TMC hired the guy behind all the recruiting.  They really should've named Jim Hilvert the HC and asked their coach to stay out of his way:  this would have continued their trajectory upward.   This all seems like 20/20, looking back but believe me there was talk about this among alums and even the coaches. 

The latest:  Surprisingly, they didn't return any calls from interested and (very) qualified HC candidates in mid-March and hired from within. 

TL/DR:  No decision imminent at TMC and MSJ will never be on the W&J schedule because of "things".

[Bob.Gregg]

Given the full 9-game PAC schedule that's coming for the next few years, do not expect Hanover or MSJ back on W&J's schedule.

The Panthers have been above .500 only twice since 2004.
The Lions have only two seasons of better than 7-3 since 2007.

If SOS needs improved, it has to happen in the ONE non-conference game that PAC teams will have available to schedule.

One of the strengths of the AQ system is that teams can go play somebody.
W&J has tried that with St. John Fisher (this year & next), and I expect they'll be in the market to open with a playoff contender in 2019 and beyond.

[wally_wabash]

One of the strengths of the AQ system is that teams can go play somebody.
W&J has tried that with St. John Fisher (this year & next), and I expect they'll be in the market to open with a playoff contender in 2019 and beyond.

One of the follies of the AQ system is that you "think" you can go play somebody good and then they pipe in a 2-7 season and your SOS still stinks.  Outside of about zeroing in on 10-15 teams in the entire division, trying to leverage your SOS through scheduling is pointless.  It's a total crapshoot. 

[Bob.Gregg]

wally, that's why I wrote "tried".....

This is the first year since 2002 that SJF won't have at least 7 wins.  It is a crap shoot, but worth the shot.

And, given W&J's record in 2011, 2012, 2013, the Presidents (with 3-4 losses) didn't provide much SOS help to StJF or DelVal in those years.

[wally_wabash]

Definitely not a comment about W&J specifically, Bob.  More of a general eyeroll toward the (amazingly large) crowd that thinks a team can just "go schedule better" and magically have a top 20 SOS.  It's an impossible thing to predict. 

[Ralph Turner]

At the top level of D-3, I view the out-of-conference game as a chance to impact your post-season seeding.

I view Linfield's games with HSU and UMHB over the year's as a way to get a win over a RRO and possibly "earn" a second round and third round home game in the playoffs.

You can say the same for scheduling a WIAC contender.

[Pat Coleman]

Latest regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/second-regional-ranking

[WashJeff68]

Alex Rowse not on depth chart for the third week in a row. Shouldn't be a problem this week, but assuming W&J gets by Waynesburg, would be nice to have him back for the playoffs.

[E.115]

Two great articles... one in CMU and one on CWRU:

http://observer.case.edu/alternate-perspective-its-not-just-another-game-for-CMU/


http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/11/case_western_reserve_football.html