FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

DagarmanSpartan · October 06, 2018, 04:29:00 PM

Great win by W&J.

CWRU had its chances, but shot itself in the foot with turnovers.

Let's hope that we can run the table the rest of the way, and maybe get an at-large bid.

ADL70 · October 06, 2018, 04:43:04 PM

Tough loss. 75 yd shovel pass and 98 yd rush against an over-aggressive D in 4th quarter were the difference. Two one-play TD 'drives'. Gave the J great field position with poor KO coverage. DB took ball out of receivers hands on one of the two ints Saxton had. Lots of injuries on both sides, but CWRU's leading receiver Justin Phan was injured in first half and never returned.

Bob.Gregg · October 06, 2018, 05:14:31 PM

ADL, not THE J, just J

Just enough pressure on Saxton, two sack/fumbles, two INT (both great plays by DBs).

WashJeff68 · October 06, 2018, 05:16:19 PM

Exciting game. One of what I hope will be many as this great rivalry (and another great rivalry - CMU) continues. Good luck to CWRU the rest of the way.

Saxton is clearly the real deal and it looks like CWRU is set at quarterback for the next 4 years unless he decides to revisit his college choice and transfer to W&J

!

Weird to hear the announcers calling W&J the J

W&J has several nicknames. Students often call it Dub J. J has been a nickname for the school for a long time. When I was there we were referred to by locals a "J men." So Bob and Mark saying something like "the J offense" would be familiar to the denizens of WashPA as well as J students.

Oh, and the University of Tennessee football team did not lose today since they are off, and have another week to get ready for Auburn!

Bob.Gregg · October 06, 2018, 07:52:42 PM

WOW---this conference's wheels just fell off the bus, rolled up the hill and came back down, smashing through the windshield!!!!

St. Vincent 35, Thiel 13. No surprise at all.
Bethany 26, Geneva 20. Fully expected that.

Then, you have:
Waynesburg 24, Carnegie-Mellon 21. Really?
Grove City 36, Westminster 33. Are you KIDDING me?

Some schools are just at the halfway mark of the year, and everybody left on W&J's schedule already has TWO conference losses. That is NOT a good thing for the PAC, it is not a good thing for Case-Western. The President can now afford, to use Coach Luckhardt's term, to trip over one dead body and only hurt their seeding, not their qualification....W&J has to beat three of Geneva (2-3), Westminster (3-3), St. Vincent (1-4) and Waynesburg (3-3) and the AQ is theirs...And that's the look with FIVE weeks left in the season....UNREAL!

E.115 · October 06, 2018, 08:28:46 PM

The W & J and CWRU game lived up to the hype. I could watch those teams battle again and again.

Hats off the W & J...and now you control your own destiny.

Both Gregg's and my own came true:

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on October 04, 2018, 09:40:35 AM
If Saxton, a player the Presidents had a legitimate shot at getting coming out of South Fayette, can stay upright, the Spartans can win the game.
If the W&J defense can bump him, knock him down, sack him a few times, causing him to speed up the plays, the Presidents will win the game.

Saxton was pressured, sacked multiple times...forcing him to turnover the ball.

Quote from: E.115 on October 05, 2018, 07:36:03 AM
The biggest x-factor for me is the Case Western Reserve's defense. Coach Debeljak is an offensive mind, and knows how to gameplan to move the ball. There has been no mention W&J has a nation-leading receiver, plus very impressive QB and RB stats:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/washjeff.sidearmsports.com/documents/2018/10/4/2018gamenotesCWRU.pdf

Sure CWRU has the size and experience on the defensive line, but how the rest of the young defense responds will decide the game IMO.

W & J's playmakers (WEST) on the game with the 75-yard reception and that incredible 98-yard run. ...The CWRI defense with two breakdowns that essentially sealed the game.

Debeljak's offense was able to move the ball (523 Total yards vs 505 total yards) and pick up a ton of first downs (33 vs 25). Ultimately the turnovers (4 vs 2) and the big plays made the difference in the game.

Exciting it ended with an onside kick attempt. Overall great battle. Good luck to the Presidents.

Bob.Gregg · October 07, 2018, 10:31:55 AM

Just one correction, E.115.
.
Turnovers were 4-0. W&J did not turn the ball over (except on downs at the CWRU 8)

jam40jeff · October 07, 2018, 12:07:46 PM

The turning point of the game was actually a couple of successive events. First, with Case up 14-7 and driving, it looked like they were about to go up 21-7 when Saxton was strip sacked. Then it looked like the Case defense quickly stopped W&J, forcing them into a 4th and 14. A bad snap on the punt forced the punter to tuck it and run, and he did, for a first down which eventually led to a TD. A FG later and W&J took the lead for good.

E.115 · October 07, 2018, 01:14:15 PM

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on October 07, 2018, 10:31:55 AM
Just one correction, E.115.
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Turnovers were 4-0. W&J did not turn the ball over (except on downs at the CWRU 8)

Well that makes more sense. I didn't see any TOs (but missed a few portions of the 3rd quarter) ...then misread the boxscore.

Rough +/- for the Spartans caused by the Presidents D

ADL70 · October 07, 2018, 05:13:40 PM

Sometimes they're called turnovers; sometimes take-aways. Those were four take-aways, great plays by the J D.

Bob.Gregg · October 07, 2018, 07:39:15 PM

I just watched the end zone camera footage of the 98-yard run by West.

HUGE hole, opened by LT Phillip Bobich, LG Jarrod Webb, and a great kickout block by TE/WR Jake Cullen.
Untouched, two steps beyond the line of scrimmage and West was gone.

evacuee · October 09, 2018, 10:57:12 AM

Is there no video available on the web of Jordan West vs. CWRU?

Bob.Gregg · October 09, 2018, 12:16:10 PM

highlights: https://gopresidents.com/news/2018/10/6/football-presidents-go-west-to-defeat-no-16-case-western-reserve-44-36.aspx

full game archive: http://pacathletics.org/watch/default.aspx?Archive=143&path=wj

ADL70 · October 10, 2018, 10:04:07 AM

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on October 06, 2018, 07:52:42 PM
WOW---this conference's wheels just fell off the bus, rolled up the hill and came back down, smashing through the windshield!!!!

St. Vincent 35, Thiel 13. No surprise at all.
Bethany 26, Geneva 20. Fully expected that.

Then, you have:
Waynesburg 24, Carnegie-Mellon 21. Really?
Grove City 36, Westminster 33. Are you KIDDING me?

Some schools are just at the halfway mark of the year, and everybody left on W&J's schedule already has TWO conference losses. That is NOT a good thing for the PAC, it is not a good thing for Case-Western. The President can now afford, to use Coach Luckhardt's term, to trip over one dead body and only hurt their seeding, not their qualification....W&J has to beat three of Geneva (2-3), Westminster (3-3), St. Vincent (1-4) and Waynesburg (3-3) and the AQ is theirs...And that's the look with FIVE weeks left in the season....UNREAL!

Not sure it is bad for PAC. Good for GC and Waynesburg! What will hurt CWRU's Pool C chance and W&J's seeding are Rochester and Fisher. In conference contribition to SoS hovers at around .500, but Rochester and Fisher will drag CWRU and W&J's SoS down.

MRMIKESMITH · October 10, 2018, 11:03:37 AM

Quote from: ADL70 on October 10, 2018, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: Bob.Gregg on October 06, 2018, 07:52:42 PM
WOW---this conference's wheels just fell off the bus, rolled up the hill and came back down, smashing through the windshield!!!!

St. Vincent 35, Thiel 13. No surprise at all.
Bethany 26, Geneva 20. Fully expected that.

Then, you have:
Waynesburg 24, Carnegie-Mellon 21. Really?
Grove City 36, Westminster 33. Are you KIDDING me?

Some schools are just at the halfway mark of the year, and everybody left on W&J's schedule already has TWO conference losses. That is NOT a good thing for the PAC, it is not a good thing for Case-Western. The President can now afford, to use Coach Luckhardt's term, to trip over one dead body and only hurt their seeding, not their qualification....W&J has to beat three of Geneva (2-3), Westminster (3-3), St. Vincent (1-4) and Waynesburg (3-3) and the AQ is theirs...And that's the look with FIVE weeks left in the season....UNREAL!

Not sure it is bad for PAC. Good for GC and Waynesburg! What will hurt CWRU's Pool C chance and W&J's seeding are Rochester and Fisher. In conference contribition to SoS hovers at around .500, but Rochester and Fisher will drag CWRU and W&J's SoS down.

I think the Pool A Qualifier is in good shape, since the PAC performed well in prior year. My concern is CWRU SOS, Rochester may not win another game this year. I believe St. John Fisher will have a two or 3 at seasons end. A one loss CWRU will be behind a one-loss Muhlenberg if Johns Hopkins win out and Centre (wins over a good Hanover team Maryville, which may win the USAC), the best bet is for Muhlenberg to win out and Centre take a 2nd loss, even then, you have the other regions to consider.