FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[SaintsFAN]

I think both are looking at road playoff games to open up the tournament.

W&J is looking at a road playoff game.  CWRU is a long shot to even make the playoffs.

Right.  But either as the PAC Qualifier:  Road Game

CASE/W&J will be THE PAC game for at least the next three years.

[E.115]

CWRU fans,

Looks like team captain WR Justin Phan is back in the line up and listed as the starter for this week...after being injured against W & J and being out for the past two weeks.

https://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2018-19/files/fb_BET_game_notes18.pdf

[ADL70]

I wouldn't put too much stock in that Preview.  Phan has been listed as starter in the two-deep for each game since W&J.  Orsini has also been listed in the depth chart all season, yet he hasn't played since week 1.

[Bob.Gregg]

As a working media guy, I use two-deep only to grab numbers & put them with names.

This conference's lax standards on two-deeps is ridiculous.
W&J does it.  Case does it.  Westminster does it.

Westminster's first two carries on Saturday were by back NOT listed on the two-deep.
W&J's defensive backfield had guys starting not listed.
Case has Phan & Orsini in there and they've been out or not played.

[SaintsFAN]

As a working media guy, I use two-deep only to grab numbers & put them with names.

This conference's lax standards on two-deeps is ridiculous.
W&J does it.  Case does it.  Westminster does it.

Westminster's first two carries on Saturday were by back NOT listed on the two-deep.
W&J's defensive backfield had guys starting not listed.
Case has Phan & Orsini in there and they've been out or not played.

Paging Bill Belichick..

Those are the top teams in the PAC.

[Bob.Gregg]

The rest of the conference might be as bad but those three are fresh--the CWRU one was posted by someone else today here, the W&J one I knew when I walked in the press box Saturday, and the Westminster one hit me square in the face shortly after the bad W&J punt snap and the Titans scoring two plays later.  I was left scrambling for names of the two ball carriers that started (and ended) the Westminster possession.

[ITH radio]

So far W&J and Waynesburg have filed for ECAC bids from the PAC. I could see Westminster doing so as well given their participation in the past.

3 bowl games will be held on 11/17 at on campus sites. The whole D3FBFEST, single location event won't happen. Other teams that have filed are:

2018 ECAC DIII Football Bowl Games Declared Teams
November 17 | Campus Sites
School   Conference
Wilkes University   MAC
Misericordia University   MAC
FDU-Florham   MAC
Springfield College   NEWMAC
USMMA   NEWMAC
Utica College   Empire 8
Morrisville State   Empire 8
Alfred University   Empire 8
Ithaca College   Liberty League
Wesley College   NJAC

[ADL70]

Waynesburg?

Well, if they win their last two remaining games - CWRU and W&J- they'd be 6-4.

[Bob.Gregg]

Waynesburg?

Well, if they win their last two remaining games - CWRU and W&J- they'd be 6-4.

And Westminster would be going to the NCAAs.....

[ADL70]

In that scenario, if Westminster wins out. It would be a three way tie right?  Does Westminster's loss to Wittenberg give them the tie breaker?  Best non-conference foe? What about 8-2 vs 7-3?  Advantage CWRU and W&J, then W&J has h2h. So W&J goes to NCAAs? Just asking.

[Pat Coleman]

W&J's defensive backfield had guys starting not listed.

... and not named Zach/Zack/Zac?

[ADL70]

In that scenario, if Westminster wins out. It would be a three way tie right?  Does Westminster's loss to Wittenberg give them the tie breaker?  Best non-conference foe? What about 8-2 vs 7-3?  Advantage CWRU and W&J, then W&J has h2h. So W&J goes to NCAAs? Just asking.

OK I looked up the tie breaker:

14.    Tiebreaker for NCAA automatic qualifier (AQ): 1) Head-to-head competition, 2) Record against the highest-ranked team in the conference not involved in the tie. In the case of a three-way tie, it would be the fourth team. In case of a four-way tie, it would be the fifth-team, etc. If the records against that team are the same, it goes to the next highest team not involved in the tie, etc., 3) strength of conference wins (conference winning percentage of teams you beat in 8 PAC games, 4) Overall record, 5) Record vs. common non-league opponent(s). Note: if one team is eliminated, the tiebreaker begins again at step #1. All teams in a 3 or more team tie must have played each other for the head-to-head tiebreaker to be applicable.

For 2 Waynesburg, Grove City,  Bethany, and CMU  or some combination of them could end up 4-4 in conference.

[ADL70]

The rest of the conference might be as bad but those three are fresh--the CWRU one was posted by someone else today here, the W&J one I knew when I walked in the press box Saturday, and the Westminster one hit me square in the face shortly after the bad W&J punt snap and the Titans scoring two plays later.  I was left scrambling for names of the two ball carriers that started (and ended) the Westminster possession.

To be charitable, those are posted early in the week.  Perhaps with the hope that a player will be ready to play if injured, or a sub is necessary because of an injury later in the week's practice.  But CWRU's hasn't changed in weeks despite a number of injuries.

[Bob.Gregg]

ADL, I get the "player injured in practice" after the 2-deeps are distributed to us media types.
That AIN'T what's happening.

[ADL70]

Geneva at CMU postponed.  Anyone know why?