FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[ADL70]

One thing that has not been mentioned, CWRU lost its Kent State-transfer, and local Mentor boy, QB Ian Kipp in the first quarter to a broken foot.  Like Nick Chubb...out for the season : (

https://www.news-herald.com/2023/09/16/case-western-reserve-loses-to-grove-city-qb-ian-kipp-breaks-foot-and-will-miss-the-season/

In Fromberg we trust.

Will Kipp be "Pipped"?

The article explains why FY Tyler Fikis is now listed as backup. Aaron Fillips (not Phiilips) tore an ACL in the spring. Perhaps that injury is what prompted Fromberg to return to CWRU instead of transferring to TCNJ.

[E.115]

Fikis ... what an impressive run towards the end by the backup QB!

Drive summary on his first snap:

CWR - Fikis,Tyler 38 yd run (Petrozzi,Gabriel kick), 1 plays, 38 yards, TOP 00:12

[E.115]

^ OK fine... Fromberg's TDs also impressive...

Fromberg's Five Touchdowns Lead Spartans to 42-7 Win over Geneva

https://athletics.case.edu/news/2023/9/23/football-frombergs-five-touchdowns-lead-spartans-to-42-7-win-over-geneva.aspx

[mikefln]

I don't see GCC as a clear #3. The CWRU game was tied at the end of regulation.

I see big 2, middle 3, and bottom 6.

Well, it is the Big 3.  Great win by GCC, but no break for them as they travel to W&J.  Both GCC and W&J control their destiny, should be a great game.  I will give my power rankings later either tomorrow or Wednesday. 

[Pokerplayer]

Just a small FYI...W&J travels to Grove City.

[ADL70]

I don't see GCC as a clear #3. The CWRU game was tied at the end of regulation.

I see big 2, middle 3, and bottom 6.

Well, it is the Big 3.  Great win by GCC, but no break for them as they travel to W&J.  Both GCC and W&J control their destiny, should be a great game.  I will give my power rankings later either tomorrow or Wednesday.

I suggest big 2, W&J and GCC. CMU stomped 3 bottom dwellers before losing to GCC by 7. CWRU lost to GCC by 3 in OT. There may be only one favorite after Saturday.

[jam40jeff]

My gut is that W&J is the clear #1 in the conference, with GCC, CMU, and CWRU all close together well behind W&J, and then everybody else, but I guess we'll know more after Saturday.

[ADL70]

That's my gut too, Jeff.

[mikefln]

My Power Rankings after week 4 -It's starting to get interesting at the top.

1) W&J- Had their way with Theil.  Huge game this week, they are 1 of 2 teams who still control their own destiny.
2) Grove City- Made a huge statement this week that they are one of the top dogs in this league.  The 2nd team in the PAC that still controls its own destiny,
3) CMU - Losing by 7 at a strong GCC is not the end of the world.  They need W&J to beat GCC and then they need to beat W&J.  At that point I do not know how tiebreakers work.
4) Case- A good team who I think is noticeably not as strong as the big 3, but capable to beat them too.
5) Westminster- Back in the win column.  I think they base the success of this season on if they can beat CWRU in 2 weeks. 
6) Allegheny- Not sure if they are in Case and Westminster level or if they are in Genva and Waynesburg level. They beat both Geneva and Waynesburg but they have the tough part of their schedule ahead of them.  They need to beat either Case or Westminster to me to put them in that tier.
Geneva- Got beat bad by Case.  They at least have a win so they are ahead of Waynesburg.
8) Waynesburg- I know they are still winless and 2 of the teams I rank lower have wins. Their schedule finally softens with the bottom 3 teams being Waynesburg's next 4 games.  I think they win all 3 of those games.  We will see.
9) SVC- Off this past week. 
10) Thiel- While they were blown out, they showed moxy.  Too bad their schedule worked out that they got their first win of the season only to go against a top dog in the conference.
11) Bethany- So heart and fight and was even up at one point against an ok Allegheny team.


New this week the tier system- basically where I see the separation between the strengths of the teams.  I actually think I may move to this instead of an actual power rank, since I do not get to see all the games.  I watch a couple a week and if I'm lucky, there might be highlights of another game or 2.

Tier 1- W&J, GCC, CMU
Tier 2- CWRU- Westminster
Tier 3- Allegheny, Geneva, and Waynesburg
Tier 4-  SVC, Theil, Bethany

ATTENDANCE: taken from the box score of the PAC web site.

Grove City Attendance: 4800
CWRU Attendance: 1642
W&J Attendance: 1577
Waynesburg Attendance: 1145
Allegheny Attendance: 1114


2023 Total attendance

Allegheny- 3,395 (2 games)
Bethany- 1,096 (1 game)
Carnegie Mellon- 2,150 (2 games)
Case Western Reserve- 1,642 (2 games: they did not report their 1st game)
Geneva- 5,155 (1 game)
Grove City- 10,200 (3 games)
St. Vincent- 3,250 (2 games)
Theil- 1,453 (2 games)
W&J- 4,740 (2 games)
Waynesburg- 2,495 (3 games)
Westminster- 1,727 (1 game)

[dofo66JCU]

My Power Rankings after week 4 -It's starting to get interesting at the top.

1) W&J- Had their way with Theil.  Huge game this week, they are 1 of 2 teams who still control their own destiny.
2) Grove City- Made a huge statement this week that they are one of the top dogs in this league.  The 2nd team in the PAC that still controls its own destiny,
3) CMU - Losing by 7 at a strong GCC is not the end of the world.  They need W&J to beat GCC and then they need to beat W&J.  At that point I do not know how tiebreakers work.
4) Case- A good team who I think is noticeably not as strong as the big 3, but capable to beat them too.
5) Westminster- Back in the win column.  I think they base the success of this season on if they can beat CWRU in 2 weeks. 
6) Allegheny- Not sure if they are in Case and Westminster level or if they are in Genva and Waynesburg level. They beat both Geneva and Waynesburg but they have the tough part of their schedule ahead of them.  They need to beat either Case or Westminster to me to put them in that tier.
Geneva- Got beat bad by Case.  They at least have a win so they are ahead of Waynesburg.
8) Waynesburg- I know they are still winless and 2 of the teams I rank lower have wins. Their schedule finally softens with the bottom 3 teams being Waynesburg's next 4 games.  I think they win all 3 of those games.  We will see.
9) SVC- Off this past week. 
10) Thiel- While they were blown out, they showed moxy.  Too bad their schedule worked out that they got their first win of the season only to go against a top dog in the conference.
11) Bethany- So heart and fight and was even up at one point against an ok Allegheny team.


New this week the tier system- basically where I see the separation between the strengths of the teams.  I actually think I may move to this instead of an actual power rank, since I do not get to see all the games.  I watch a couple a week and if I'm lucky, there might be highlights of another game or 2.

Tier 1- W&J, GCC, CMU
Tier 2- CWRU- Westminster
Tier 3- Allegheny, Geneva, and Waynesburg
Tier 4-  SVC, Theil, Bethany

ATTENDANCE: taken from the box score of the PAC web site.

Grove City Attendance: 4800
CWRU Attendance: 1642
W&J Attendance: 1577
Waynesburg Attendance: 1145
Allegheny Attendance: 1114


2023 Total attendance

Allegheny- 3,395 (2 games)
Bethany- 1,096 (1 game)
Carnegie Mellon- 2,150 (2 games)
Case Western Reserve- 1,642 (2 games: they did not report their 1st game)
Geneva- 5,155 (1 game)
Grove City- 10,200 (3 games)
St. Vincent- 3,250 (2 games)
Theil- 1,453 (2 games)
W&J- 4,740 (2 games)
Waynesburg- 2,495 (3 games)
Westminster- 1,727 (1 game)

This is a great break down. Please continue to do this every week, my first look to recap what's going on in the PAC.

[ExTartanPlayer]

My gut is that W&J is the clear #1 in the conference, with GCC, CMU, and CWRU all close together well behind W&J, and then everybody else, but I guess we'll know more after Saturday.

That's my gut too, Jeff.

Mine as well.  A small worry I have is that Grove City has had to really bring it a few weeks in a row and it can be hard to get fully "up" for a big game several weeks running. 

Look, I get it, I was a player, I would love to think in GCC's shoes I would be bringing the same intensity or even more to this week's game than last week's, especially knowing that a win this week puts them firmly in the driver's seat for the league title and playoff berth.  I'm oddly pulling for them even though it's probably the end of CMU's playoff chances if they win.  But I kinda worry they're going to be running out of steam and W&J might be a little too much.

Pretty much agree with mikefln's power rankings and breakdown.

[ADL70]

Massey predicts W&J 28-20 with a 72% chance of winning.              Hansen has W&J 34.7 24.4 with a 75.6% chance of winning

National rankings for PAC                                                              National Rank

W&J 16                                                                                        W&J 22
GCC 30                                                                                         GCC 30
CMU 38                                                                                         CMU 57
West 65                                                                                         CWRU 79
CWRU 66                                                                                       West 108 

[WashJeff68]

Should be an interesting day!

[WashJeff68]

Well, it was a close game and could have gone either way until GC locked it down late in the fourth quarter.

. W&J could pass but not consistently sustain the run. Grove City could run and towards the end started passing better.

GC should end up asbPAC Champs and I wish them well the rest of the way. W&J should end up at least 8-2, complete their 40th consecutive winning season, and go to a bowl game. Not bad, but not what they hoped for.

Still al lot of games left to watch.  My sons and I will be at Homecoming next week vs Allegheny.

[ExTartanPlayer]

CMU was a bit sluggish and sloppy, but came out with the W. 

Credit to Allegheny, they had a big crowd and lots of energy and played hard.  Just never could get enough offense going to really threaten CMU.

On the CMU side of the ledger, I would have liked to see the offense put together another clean drive or two to put the game away, but - this was always a possible trap game.  Away night game the week after a tough loss to GCC in an away night game, knowing that playoff aspirations have taken a big hit...have to just take the W and get right for the tough closing stretch.