FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

mikefln · October 21, 2024, 07:23:05 PM

Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 21, 2024, 07:25:25 AMKind of surprised it's never converted to at least a 7 or 8 win season.

It's incredible, isn't it? Their last winning season was 2009 at 8-3 when they still had a few scholarship upperclassmen from the transition to D3.

E.115 · October 22, 2024, 02:15:14 PM

Games Notes for CWRU @ WC

Westminster: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sidearm.nextgen.sites/westminstercollegepa.sidearmsports.com/documents/2024/10/22/football-cwr-2024b.pdf

I did not realize how large the Westminster roster is! 130+ players!?

Case Western Reserve: https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sidearm.nextgen.sites/casewestern.sidearmsports.com/documents/2024/10/22/fb_WES_game_notes24.pdf

Interesting stat ... WC and CWRU statistically have the top two pass defenses in the country.

And WC looks like they are hitting their stride in recent games.

Here's to an entertaining battle this Saturday.

jdpiv · October 23, 2024, 04:59:22 PM

Saw Westminster play a few weeks ago against W&J and what struck me was not their roster size, but rather the fact that a quarter of that roster were players from Florida. Don't see many DIII schools recruiting the sunshine state that heavily. Seems like a smart way to reform a roster would be to get those just-a-level-below kids from such a talent rich state. Kudos to them.

E.115 · October 26, 2024, 08:34:56 AM

@jdpiv ... just wanted to say WELCOME!!

mikefln · October 26, 2024, 10:31:46 PM

What a great game and ending to the Westminster vs Case game. Westminster clearly putting the PAC on notice, that they are a team to be reckoned with.

ExTartanPlayer · October 27, 2024, 07:33:58 AM

Quote from: mikefln on October 26, 2024, 10:31:46 PMWhat a great game and ending to the Westminster vs Case game. Westminster clearly putting the PAC on notice, that they are a team to be reckoned with.

Got a chance to watch a bit after getting my kids to bed (including the ending). Really tough for CWRU to be in borderline FG range at that spot & throw that INT, though I understand staying aggressive there (the field goal was no sure thing and even then it's only for a tie).

Now we've got five one-loss teams and five (I think?) games remaining between all of them. Are we in one of those weird spots where literally no team entirely controls their Pool A destiny (for now)? Since anyone that wins out still has the risk of ending up in a tie at 9-1 with the team that's beaten them

jam40jeff · October 27, 2024, 09:07:31 AM

We are in that spot. If any of the 5 teams with 1 loss win out, and the team that beat them also wins out, there is no clear winner.

mikefln · October 27, 2024, 08:19:30 PM

Get the popcorn out for some great PACtion! I don't care where others rate the PAC in the D3 landscape, to me it is one of the best,competitive, & exciting D3 conferences out there.

Does the bottom of the conference need to step up? Yes

Does the top of the conference make up for the bottom? Yes it does.

ADL70 · October 28, 2024, 04:25:59 PM

Tie-breaker for AQ per 2024 PAC Admin Manual

2.1.2 Tiebreaker for NCAA's automatic qualifier (AQ):
Head-to-head competition.
Record against the highest-ranked team in the conference not involved in the tie. In the case of a
three-way tie, it would be the fourth team. In case of a four-way tie, it would be the fifth team, etc.
If the records against that team are the same, it goes to the next highest team not involved in the
tie, etc.
Scoring margin in games involving tied teams.
Overall record.
Record vs. common non-league opponent(s).

jam40jeff · October 29, 2024, 08:39:22 AM

I know it's unlikely, but it's possible for all 5 of the top teams to end up tied with 2 losses each. In that case, none of criteria would be able to break the tie other than score margin due to there not being any non-conference games. What would happen if 2 of the 5 teams involved in the tie had the same score margin?

Pat Coleman · October 29, 2024, 11:12:41 AM

Quote from: jam40jeff on October 29, 2024, 08:39:22 AMI know it's unlikely, but it's possible for all 5 of the top teams to end up tied with 2 losses each. In that case, none of criteria would be able to break the tie other than score margin due to there not being any non-conference games. What would happen if 2 of the 5 teams involved in the tie had the same score margin?

If only two teams have the same score margin, then you take the head-to-head result between those two teams.

jam40jeff · October 29, 2024, 06:22:08 PM

Ha, geez, yeah, that should have been obvious. For the sake of argument, let's say it was 3 teams with the same score margin, and they were all 1-1 against each other.

Pat Coleman · October 29, 2024, 08:21:55 PM

Quote from: jam40jeff on October 29, 2024, 06:22:08 PMHa, geez, yeah, that should have been obvious. For the sake of argument, let's say it was 3 teams with the same score margin, and they were all 1-1 against each other.

Yeah, then hopefully there's another tiebreaker after that.

mikefln · October 30, 2024, 09:08:51 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2024, 08:21:55 PM
Quote from: jam40jeff on October 29, 2024, 06:22:08 PMHa, geez, yeah, that should have been obvious. For the sake of argument, let's say it was 3 teams with the same score margin, and they were all 1-1 against each other.

Yeah, then hopefully there's another tiebreaker after that.

Let's go Friday Night Lights in Odessa style and flip a coin at midnight at the Pilot truck stop at exit 99 on US 79.

ExTartanPlayer · November 02, 2024, 03:48:36 PM

Boy, CMU came out on fire today and it was over by halftime. Really a bit surprised, Westminster is a solid team and has proven that against W&J and Case, but it all went CMU's way today. Westminster just missed on a deep shot early that would have gone for a TD, but I don't think it would have mattered in the end.