FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

Cleveland Cartel · November 07, 2005, 02:50:07 PM

Bob,

Great Insight on the game and Ellis was impressive against the tomcats also throwing some excellent deep and short balls to the recievers. I also was impressed with Andy Heinl's double duty as a punter and receiver. He had the wind going with him for a few punts and absolutely killed them deep inside the 15 multiple times, and it truly helped with field position.
I got a good chuckle out of your comment on Heinl's trash talking abilities too. He was talking the entire game to the Thiel DB's and recievers, and I remember at the end of the game he was being restrained by a couple of his teamates. I guess he just wasnt finished talking yet!

As you and Pitt have already said they are a worthy opponett and will add excitement, rivalries, and more of a name for the PAC in the future. For their first year in the PAC and finishing third behind two solid teams who are ranked in the nation. I would not be upset with that season is a solid building block for the future especially with Ellis, Carisle, West, and Heinl.

SaintsFAN · November 07, 2005, 03:12:05 PM

They lose Ellis and Heinl...

and can we please let the tackle bull**** die?

Come on guys...

Bob,

If I had known for sure I was going to be there on Saturday I would have insisted in meeting before the game. My opinoin of the game is the WJ offense is good....especially Edwards and Krepps. They wore down the TMC defense especially with #22 pounding on them...I think if TMC's offense could have found a way to be out there longer, then it could have been different....but WJ was very explosive.

I think WJ has the ability to win a game or two again this year in the playoffs....but maybe its me but I thought they played a little flat and emotionless...maybe thats how the coaches want them to play. Anyways, thats my assessment. Not as unbeatable as everyone talks about... I thought this TMC team had a shot to beat this President team....

Bob.Gregg · November 07, 2005, 03:15:13 PM

SaintsFan,

I thought you were going to come up and say 'hello'

SaintsFAN · November 07, 2005, 03:20:59 PM

I thought about it....at halftime. But I got there late because my Friday night ended up lasting well into Saturday...

Bob.Gregg · November 07, 2005, 03:25:45 PM

Damn Friday nights!!!

Not EVERYONE talks about W&J being "unbeatable" and I agree that this TMC team could have beaten this W&J team, at least the one that showed at Crestview Hills Saturday. But I do not believe this TMC team--at its best, could beat this W&J team--at ITS best.

The Presidents did appear flat and emotionless, particularly on defense (kinda suprising).

And, depending on the brackets, I think W&J can win a game or two.

If I'da known you'd want to meet BEFORE the game, you could bought my breakfast at the Waffle House a couple exits back on I-71/75!

SaintsFAN · November 07, 2005, 03:28:00 PM

Yes, yes...it wasn't even supposed to be that way. Just a quiet night with the lady...

Anyways, hope you enjoyed your stay. Next time, I will be more hospitable..

Cleveland Cartel · November 07, 2005, 04:14:41 PM

Bob,

With Edwards career coming to an end after this season, How does his numbers compare all time at WJ??? I don't know if you can find that or have access to any info and woudln't mind sharing. WJ has had some great offenses and QB's in the past especially with their domination of the PAC over the last 18 years. 85 career TD's 3,000 yards this season and 8,000 for a career that has to be close to the all time high at WJ and also in the PAC.

anyone else with any stats please feel free to chime in!

Bob.Gregg · November 07, 2005, 04:31:30 PM

Chris Edwards:

2nd most passing yards in school history, now 8,028

Highest completion percentage (career), now 62.2% (previous--Brad Dawson, '03, 58.6%)

85 career TD passes (top 25 all-time in D-3) Dawson is T-10th with 94.

539-866 8.028, 62.2% 85 tds. 26 INT.

SaintsFAN · November 07, 2005, 04:42:50 PM

Bob,

Waffle House?? I think you were right by my house at that one in Erlanger. Anyways, I was just there a few hours before that....theres only so much you can take.

As I said...next year at WJ or the following season at TMC...

Good luck in the playoffs...

Cleveland Cartel · November 07, 2005, 04:50:05 PM

Bob,

Edwards is really closing in on his predecesor Dawson. Quite impressive actually too I played against both Dawson and Edwards and after watching Edwards his Freshmen year you could see the kid had an arm, but could we have said he would break the records that Dawson tore down?

I would not of been able to predict that!

oldtimer4774 · November 07, 2005, 06:47:34 PM

If W&J would not have lost to Thiel earlier in the year, where would they be in this weeks top 25 rankings???

d3fbalumn · November 07, 2005, 08:03:04 PM

Quote from: oldtimer4774 on November 07, 2005, 06:47:34 PM
If W&J would not have lost to Thiel earlier in the year, where would they be in this weeks top 25 rankings???

Are you trying to rub salt in the wound?

Bob.Gregg · November 07, 2005, 08:03:11 PM

Quote from: oldtimer4774 on November 07, 2005, 06:47:34 PM
If W&J would not have lost to Thiel earlier in the year, where would they be in this weeks top 25 rankings???

I would say an undefeated W&J team would certainly be Top 5 right now, though getting there without being on pcole's ballot at all might be a stretch...

OldPhart · November 07, 2005, 09:23:14 PM

Quote from: oldtimer4774 on November 07, 2005, 06:47:34 PM
If W&J would not have lost to Thiel earlier in the year, where would they be in this weeks top 25 rankings???

If wishes and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas. Seriously though, if W&J had an unblemished record would you put them ahead of Mount and MHB? I think that the voters likely look at overall strength of conference, which explains Whitewater prominence. Voters certainly look at playoff runs from prior years which give Linfield, St. Johns, MHB, and Mount a leg up. I think that even with an unblemished season W&J would have to fall behind all of them - especially considering the thumping that MHB delivered to W&J in last year's playoffs.

Personally, while I think Whitewater is strong, I don't see them as #2. While the WIAC may be a strong conference their lackluster playoff record continues to perplex me.

Oldtimer - who of the current top 5 would you drop to make room for a hypothetical undefeated W&J

Bob.Gregg · November 07, 2005, 09:31:37 PM

Without getting into a bunch of cute "If" poems...

W&J was #6 in the preseason D3football.com poll.

Week 1, they were #7
Week 2, they were #7
Week 3, they were #6
Week 4, they were #6 (with UMHB, Mt. Union, Hardin-Simmons and Rowan 2-5).

The original premise was "where would W&J be ranked had they not lost to Thiel?"

Given that premise, all four teams immediately ahead of the Presidents in the D3football.com poll lost after week 4.

It only stands to reason W&J would have moved up at least ONE spot given those FOUR losses.