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[AC24#724]

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To shed some light on next wek's matchup in Greeville will be pay back time for lasst years WJ loss. Thiel's fortunate enough to win last week in TMC which got beat yesetrday in Waynesburg where the score should of been 20-25 loss. Referee's foloowed them up from Kentucky on so so many bad calls it was a shame they call themselves referee's. On side kick and no call fumble thac coulod of made the game a laugher. Ref's were doing all they could to try and hand game to TMC. If anyone would r4eview the calls made those guys would never ref again as a 4 ref's looked at each in middle of field at end of game in astonishment.
TMC only hopes for season in that they can beat WJ which likes to esablish run game. 1-2 in conference will not get you any chance, with losses to Thiel and Waynesbrg who are leading conf at this point in time. .
On a another note, if Geneva doesn't fumble near goal line and TMC defesne could of held  Thiel from late scores they could really be winless???..that is why WJ will knock thef off by 14 points.
Cinderella year of last ehnds this Saturday.

[denfd]

Swallow passes W&J by Thiel:  31 to 10.

[oldtimer4774]

It will be a good game, but I think some W&J faithful are a little salty after last years loss and are predicting a ridiculous margin of victory for the Presidents.

Prediction:

Thiel runs for 200 and passes for 150.  The Presidents see a talented O-line and D-line that they havent seen since last years game against Thiel.  Swallow throws 3 picks and gets pressured/ hurried all game.  Run game non-existent for W&J.

Outcome.......... Thiel 21  W&J 10

[denfd]

Oldtimer may be right and W&J's run game stalls, but he is underestimating the passing of Swallow as he gets more experience. In any event if Swallow gets in trouble, Church comes in as qb, the running game opens up and W&J still wins by 10 points with a more balanced attack.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Previous Question: Who will knock off W&J this season?

Bethany (2-1, 32.0 ppg) - 1 (5.3%)
Grove City (0-2, 3 total PR yards) - 1 (5.3%)
Thiel (1-2, 9.0 ppg) - 5 (26.3%)
Thomas More (2-0, won by a total of 3 pts) - 5 (26.3%)
Waynesburg (0-3, given up 65 second-half pts) - 0 (0%)
Westminster (0-2, eight turnovers committed) - 0 (0%)
No one - 7 (36.8%)
   
Total Voters: 19

[Wes Mantooth]

Ahh the friendly rivalry of Thiel and W&J. Thiel has played a little better competition but whether better i do not know. First of all ill give Thiel Albion. But Allegheny from accounts handled Thiel in a scrimmage yes i know a scrimmage but im willing to put AC in the top two or three of a tougher conference in the NCAC. Also Salisbury is a very talented team that is better than any team Thiel has played to this point even with there 2-2 record. Thiel's offense is now explosive after the impressive walloping of Bethany. Lets relax a little bit after one good showing on offense. W&J on the Oline has the strength over the D line with two all americans. Now whether the Presidents D line is stronger than the Thiel O line is a question and will be the deciding factor for the game. Pay back is on the line, we shall see in 6 days lady's and Gentlemen

[PittTBCW]

AC,

Would have should have could have that all I got to say

If I would have know the numbers to the powerball two weeks ago  I would be a millionaire just like if Geneva did not fumble and would have scored. Give me a break. No need for the saltyness we all know its going to be a good game in Greenville this weekend even though W&J will be the favorite.

Lawman,

I agree I think someone was taking a shot a Steve. We might be wrong but hey I call them as I see them and when I am wrong I will admit it.


I think this week's matchup will come down to the simple facts of every game pretty much. That being turnovers and running the ball. Who ever runs the ball effectivly and wins the turnover will win the game. When two good teams play that is normally the story. If it was a good team vs an average or below average team then the better team can sometimes overcome these mistakes. Unfortunatly, whoever makes the most mistakes this week will be hoping that the other team loses in the following weeks to give them a shot at the PAC crown!!!

[PittTBCW]

Saintsfan,

You need to realize that TMC probably is not as good as you originally thought. Yes they should have not lost to Thiel but they did. They are probably better then WC in some peoples eyes but they lost. Unless they start walking the walk nobody is going to respect their talk especially you talking about how they are a top tier team in the PAC. Until they prove it aka winning games against upper tier teams in the PAC they will get the respect they deserve. Just like Thiel for instance. They stunk for years and were the easy homecoming victory. They started to play with teams and had teams on the ropes but still could not win. Until they WON games noone gave them respect even though they were improving. W&J has been the elite of the PAC for years and years. They earned and deserved it by winning games. Yes I know they only won the title the once out of the past three years but they were runners up the other two years. They will get that respect until they show otherwise.


Bottom Line is win games in the PAC and you will get the respect. Quit the would have should have stuff and win games.

[PittTBCW]

WES,

We know your a W&J man. I am not agreeing with you on the harder schedule. There is no doubt Thiel had one of the toughest first 5 games to begin a season in D3 period. 4 out of 5 on the road, a NAIA top team with scholarship guys, and Albion and Alfred which are upper level D3 teams. I do agree W&J had no cake walk as well but I get the feeling you think that W&J is the far and above the best team in the PAC. Sources say AC handled Thiel but I also hear that they did not fair to well on offense until Thiel's starters were out. That is hear say and who really cares its a scrimmage. Nonetheless, I agree W&J is the favorite to win the conference no doubt but I think you need to respect the fact that they are not a clear cut winner like years past. You know they did not win it last year or two years ago. The PAC is getting better at the top and games have shown that. I think anyone expecting a big blowout game in Greenville is out of their mind. It will be a great game between two good football teams. If Thiel wins I think it will be an upset but nothing to write home about as they have proven the past few years that they are not the doormat of the PAC and are the defending champs that are not going to go down without a fight.

I look forward to a great time and game in Greenville as Da Bull will be taking this one in first hand this weekend!

[PittTBCW]

Oldtimer may be right and W&J's run game stalls, but he is underestimating the passing of Swallow as he gets more experience. In any event if Swallow gets in trouble, Church comes in as qb, the running game opens up and W&J still wins by 10 points with a more balanced attack.

Your out of your mind. You are saying no matter what even if a second team qb comes in that W&J will roll. You will see a great game this Saturday and if Thiel gets to Swallows and Church has to come in W&J will be in trouble. The same goes for Thiel.

[denfd]

Swallow is a very good passer. With more experience, he could be a great passer. Church is a terrific qb, who would give W&J another running dimension if he's on. He could set the stage for a great game by Mendal. Church would start for most teams in the PAC. But back to Swallow, if he is on target W&J will pull away in the second half and and beat Thiel handily. If not, the game will go down to the wire with Thiel having its chances. It will be a great game.

[SaintsFAN]

Pitt,

There's no "would've and should've" coming from here.....I know the Saints aren't as good as they expected to be.  Thats the breaks.  I am not going to apologize for rooting on my alma mater.

I never said they were a top tier team in the PAC.....I said they aspire to be, and they finished last year above where EVERYONE outside of KY thought they would be.  Thats a starting block.   Its going to be a fight for them to even equal where they finished last season.  Every game this year will be a battle (best case scenario). 

The other thing is that I've NEVER called out the Presidents.  In fact if you review my post, I said that it appears the Presidents are going to re-claim their conference crown this season.  I also feel that Thiel has played a tough schedule but to call it the toughest in D3 to this point is taking it over the edge.  Albion, though they had a good season last year, is an average team this year and plays in a very average conference.  Alfred has gotten alot of hype this season and they will finish 3rd in the E8....

Thiel and W&J will settle this out on Saturday....the only question here is at 2-0 in the PAC, is Waynesburg for real?  Or are they the team that lost to 1-4 Shenandoah at home? 

Who is the 3rd place team in the PAC this season?  EVERY other team besides W&J seem to have question marks.

[PittTBCW]

Saints,

Your right you are allowed to pull for your alma mater there is no doubt that every person in America does that. I never said Thiel had the harderst I said they had one of the hardest because they started off with 4 out of 5 on the road against good teams.

I think you are on target when you say that everyone is wondering if Waynesburg is the sleeper in the PAC this year. I know Waynesburg is always tough, but they are inconsistant. I look forward to seeing them this year. They have a lot of skill and may be the best 1-4 team out there. Only time will tell. Sorry If I got on your case about the would've should've thing I obviously misunderstood you. I apologize.

[AC24#724]

Pitt/Saints Fan
Nothing wrong with alma mater rooting for sure, PAC this year very competitive, evidence as already been showed on field, TMC edging Grove City21-20 on mixed extra point, the same this past against Westminny with GC getting win 21-20. Thiel edging TMC out on two late score in 4th quarter to steal win (17-14)in Kentucky and then last week coming to Waynesburg and having some costly early  turnovers which were capitalized on for scores.  TMC has really showed that they can be player's since entering league last year.
Waynesburg sneakingly not a 2-3 team but will get more into PAC play next week against Bethany. The Shenandoah nightmare has past, all put to rest.... Then the Jackets must  head up to Thiel against what ?(a beaten team against WJ or a victorius team against WJ), this weekend will provide the answer to that but will they have any steam to go down to WJ the following week. Now, thats a big time task to have that thrown on your plate. Jackets will need big rest up in off week and get team healthier and see how the cards fall.
Things getting interesting.

[Cleveland Cartel]

Saints Fan and Pitt,

Good points were taken from both sides and I think a little bit of misunderstanding from one another.  Regardless both of you are fans of the game and thats what matters here.

I would rather see us on here chatting up the PAC than doing nothing, and plus this gives us all somethign to check on while we are enjoying lunch at work as I am right now.

I will also be in attendence for the WJ vs Thiel game and will be holding off on my prognosis for the game till friday. 

Whoever can establish the run will win the game.  Thiel held Bethany to just a yard on 21 attempts I believe, but does that really show us how good Thiel's defense is, or how overhyped the Bisons were going into the game? 

Don't get me wrong Bethany looks much better than in past years and the coaching staff seems to have everyone on the same page, and i absolutely love the talent at WR there with Parker and the young big body frame of 6'3 Cruze. 

As Denfd said earlier the X factor could very well be Swallow and if he can get his passing going to their WR's WJ will have the ability to run the ball because Thiel can not stuff the box with 8 or 9 guys if WJ is throwing all over them.  Swallow needs to bring his A game and if the run is working effectively his B game will also be good enough.