FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

AC24#724 · October 02, 2006, 12:58:41 PM

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Has WJ been tested since game against Salisbury, Oberlin and Hanover???
Will they be ready agaistt a stingier quicker defense, the run game there ste up the pass with WJ, not like the past. This very weel could be stale mate but someone got's to take control of mistakes. Calls also will be vital in who gets Win.......Homecoming crowd amy also have a little magin, defending the throne always adds a little more excitement to an alreadyb thought about game when schedule came in out April/May.

Good Luck to both teams.

Wes Mantooth · October 02, 2006, 02:20:32 PM

AC to answer your question. Yes W&J has been tested against Allegheny. Expect a game similar to that one with a lower scoring final score. Not many people are familiar with Hanover in conference except TMore but they are perenially a very good football team and have been to the playoffs in the last few years. Maybe not on that level this year but they did lose by one to Tmore who is a good football team. We will have to see this weekend. I am pretty Jacked up to see the game and i am sure there will be some war of words all week and during the game as this has turned into a fun rivalry.

oldtimer4774 · October 02, 2006, 02:50:23 PM

It has turned into a fun rivalry because of the competitive games the past few years. (minus 2004 it got out of reach early for Thiel) Even when Thiel was a 3-7 team in 2002 and 2003, they gave the Presidents a run for their money. I believe 21-17 with W &J coming back for the win in 2002 and 16-10 in 2003 with Thiel coming back late and almost scoring the winning touchdown. These competitive games make it fun to watch the 2 teams play.

AC24#724 · October 02, 2006, 03:57:33 PM

WES and OT
Thanks fior the reply...didn't know much of Allegheny team talent wise but I see they are doing OK this year. got to see TMC last week in the Burg which even played to high intensity level to scrap with Jackets. If they could establish and running game and their QB can make some clutch plays down the road you never know. Thier D is stingy and could put some bumps on some key player's for WJ when they get to that point on schedule but that game is in Cameron stadium where things always are tough.
Thiel's/WJ game means a whole lot to where the PAC Champiosnhip will end up this year but their could be someone in the winsg waiting for them.
This is critical match-up and should be great game with high intensity level and before the weeks is over maybe one this guy will attend.

SaintsFAN · October 02, 2006, 05:02:17 PM

Agreed....Hanover is usually the HCAC Champ and the representative in the Playoffs. They have a good program, but they are young. Rumors are abound that a change in admissions policy has set the program back by raising standards of recruiting. At any point, W&J no doubt scheduled that game long ago and was thinking it would be a great test.

The Oberlin game is only one that wasn't going to be a test (from the moment they scheduled it). I look forward to this weekend's game.....if someone has a plane, send it down for me. I live 30 seconds away from Lunken Airport in Cincy's East End.

fb4life1 · October 02, 2006, 06:35:47 PM

Quote from: AC24#724 on October 02, 2006, 03:57:33 PM
WES and OT
Thanks fior the reply...didn't know much of Allegheny team talent wise but I see they are doing OK this year. got to see TMC last week in the Burg which even played to high intensity level to scrap with Jackets. If they could establish and running game and their QB can make some clutch plays down the road you never know. Thier D is stingy and could put some bumps on some key player's for WJ when they get to that point on schedule but that game is in Cameron stadium where things always are tough.
Thiel's/WJ game means a whole lot to where the PAC Champiosnhip will end up this year but their could be someone in the winsg waiting for them.
This is critical match-up and should be great game with high intensity level and before the weeks is over maybe one this guy will attend.

AC24 your mastery of the English language is impressive!!!

Hi all, I am new to the boards but I have been following D3 football in Western PA for many years. Great to see all of the discussion about the W&J and Thiel game. It is also great that there are now meaningful games in the PAC and it is not a one team show.

Regarding Allegheny's talent. The gators are an average team. They have a pretty good offense that has good skill at the QB and RB spots. However, their Defense is rather lacking as is evident by W&J rushing for almost 300 yards.

As for the Saturday's big game, I will make my prediction later in the week but for now I will say that I don't like Thiel's chances. I really believe that W&J will be able to run the ball up and down the field on Thiel's defense. Sure they may be quick but they are tiny up front and W&J has great size, talent and experience on the OL. If W&J plays to their strengths, which right now is their run game, they will have their way.

PittTBCW · October 02, 2006, 07:37:21 PM

Guys,

Love the chatter about the PAC. Seems like we all think this week is going to be a good game. We also all think that Waynesburg could be a surprise in the PAC even though they face the tough part of thier schedule. TMC also could be a spoiler or get them back in the race with a win over W&J. I know I am already looking forward to Saturday!!! Who all making the trip to Greenville this Saturday I know I will be heading up after my JV game.

AC24#724 · October 02, 2006, 09:16:30 PM

fb4life
Thanks for the kudos on the spelling, wonder what you could do in the dark while trying to type. Funny, first I heard from you this year, must of got done with cheer leading competition. Name the sport...., run,throw ,jump, kick or shoot.
But then again, you probably haven't put a jock on in your career. That would be for sure, you even said you followed football, didn't play??
Getting back to football!
Bragging rights in Greenville, Homecoming weekend, Sunny afternoon and PAC Conference lead up for grabs. When this game was scheduled back when they must of know big meaning was in store.

fb4life1 · October 02, 2006, 09:29:33 PM

Quote from: AC24#724 on October 02, 2006, 09:16:30 PM
fb4life
Thanks for the kudos on the spelling, wonder what you could do in the dark while trying to type. Funny, first I heard from you this year, must of got done with cheer leading competition. Name the sport...., run,throw ,jump, kick or shoot.
But then again, you probably haven't put a jock on in your career. That would be for sure, you even said you followed football, didn't play??
Getting back to football!
Bragging rights in Greenville, Homecoming weekend, Sunny afternoon and PAC Conference lead up for grabs. When this game was scheduled back when they must of know big meaning was in store.

Easy AC24 I was just taking a jab. It is kind of hard to follow your posts and spelling is the least of your problems. And yes cheerleading is one word. But lets get back to football. I agree with many of your assessments, most of them are right on. The following days leading up to Saturday should be interesting.

PittTBCW you seem to know a lot about Thiel. Do you think Thiel's D has a chance to stop the run?

Southfan · October 02, 2006, 10:37:35 PM

New to the board but been watching the PAC for years. Saturday will not be close. WJ will beat Thiel by more than 2 TD's. Thiel could be lucky if they score once. Thiel is not as powerful of an offense as last year. Last year they had a balanced and effective offense attack with rushing and passing. This year Minton is not putting up the numbers like last year. They have not able to move the ball through the air consistently. I don't know what happen the first week for WJ but they look pretty unstoppable now.

AC24#724 · October 03, 2006, 07:57:48 AM

Southfan and fb4life1 and All
Good to see some new guys on the Post patterns and like to hear everyone's insight to this big game as it develops and other games in the next few weeks for this week with WJ and Thiel sets tone for the following weeks games and season. (Thiel vs Grove City at GC next week)
If Thiel should be victorius they will need to shut run game down of WJ to an "average day" but hopingly won't have to stack the box to do so, and keep QB at WJ to below par day with a good receiving team of player's that can make something happen after the catch.
For Thiel, they will need to establish run game with not quite the same offensive line it had last year, but 2 back running game can keep some fresh legs in the game but lacking big play from QB and wideout like they did last year could be the difference. . That was big makeup of Thiel team last year and how quick points got on the board in a hurry. But then again look what Salisbury did on the ground to WJ. Ran threw and around them.

However things shake out in this game, the Waynesburg team lies in the background of this key matchup as they host Bethany next week after Bye week this week. That game, also proves pivotal for if they would knock of Bethany and then head to Thiel(2 weeks) for possibly first place at stake and then to WJ for also another deciding game for PAC Championship depending on how things pan out this weekend. Playing on the road will be against the Jackets in both games but ya still gotta put the helmet on and play the game. If run game gets going at Waynesburg like it can but has been below average to date and RB can be turned loose which has not quite happened yet this year and the QB can gain some more confidence in his game and their wideouts get the opportunity to make big catches fed off run game's success things can be interesting in the Burg.
Defense really starting to play alot better as a unit. Bethany would be first objective for Waynesburg and cannot look ahead.
Betcha the Brats and the Beers will be a menu item in Greenville this weekend. Close to making a prediction, but swammy needs a little more time.

Bob.Gregg · October 03, 2006, 08:26:09 AM

If Thiel wins Saturday, there will be NO PAC team in the D-III playoffs. None.

W&J's loss would be their 2nd, too many to make it.
Thiel already has 2 (Alfred & Albion) and needed ot to beat Thomas More.
Thomas More already has 2 (Thiel & Waynesburg) and struggled to beat Grove City and Hanover.
And Bethany (am I really talking about Bethany in terms of post-season?) lost to Muskingum and by 6 touchdowns to Thiel.

Waynesburg, Grove City and Westminster already have 3 losses and aren't going.

Saturday's game really is bigger than W&J at Thiel. It is whether the League can keep alive hopes for a Pool B berth.

Ralph Turner · October 03, 2006, 08:27:33 AM

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on October 03, 2006, 08:26:09 AM
If Thiel wins Saturday, there will be NO PAC team in the D-III playoffs. None.

W&J's loss would be their 2nd, too many to make it.
Thiel already has 2 (Alfred & Albion) and needed ot to beat Thomas More.
Thomas More already has 2 (Thiel & Waynesburg) and struggled to beat Grove City and Hanover.
And Bethany (am I really talking about Bethany in terms of post-season?) lost to Muskingum and by 6 touchdowns to Thiel.

Waynesburg, Grove City and Westminster already have 3 losses and aren't going.

Saturday's game really is bigger than W&J at Thiel. It is whether the League can keep alive hopes for a Pool B berth.

Good morning, Bob! I appreciate your thoughts on Pool B.

oldtimer4774 · October 03, 2006, 09:02:03 AM

So your saying if Thiel wins Saturday you not giving them a chance to win out? Or are you saying that an 8-2 Thiel team doesnt make the playoffs? Or both..... I can recall in 2004 Thiel was 7-2 going into the final game of the year against Buff State....as it turned out if they would have won they would have made the playoffs at 8-2....and they barely missed at 7-3.

AC24#724 · October 03, 2006, 09:48:19 AM

Bob, OT
Interesting points and very true possibility when you look at all the out of conference losses, WJ to Salisbury, Thiel to Albion and Alfred and Waynesburg losses to Wesley, Wooster thing sure don't look good
but to put other teams in Pool B that don't win their Conference and snub PAC totally would be not good for a Conference that has stacked up teams over the last few years to largen the Conference. Stes real bad taste their to me.

If this is so the Case.................Bragging rights just might mean a PAC Title and that be it.......with that WJ will suely try with their Coach philosophy to make score a lopsided affair this weekend.... so they can get in guaranteed, but loss could be devastating