FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

AC24#724 · October 30, 2006, 12:24:02 PM

Truth Hurts uh.... Bobby Boy!!!
The person that never put a jock on in his life.
Go talk to the Alumni...........the Brinks Truck was sitting in front of the stadium. still from two weeks ago....................

No......I think little Bobby needs to shut up!

AC24#724 · October 30, 2006, 12:39:12 PM

Wessy My lost friend, no excuse. not sore loser...justa nother cheating episode down at Cameron .....very easily seen during game but those types of fans don't see the truth, Right Bobby Boy!??

Mendel wishes he had abilility of other two running backs at Waynesburg....Wessy????Did he just come to WJ this year???Do you know that much?
I see the that Mendel has been in there 4 years , oops....Not one First Team All Conference yet???Or did you forget to look. Yeah....he was 3rd string RB there two years ago ...No college Records??
Abels...playing half the time is:
All time Scorer
All time Rushing Leader
All Time TD
Mendel..................NONE ......zippo!!!

You may want to get your pipe out and smoke that.

PittTBCW · October 30, 2006, 01:01:48 PM

WOW,

I see some tempers flairing after W&J handled Waynesburg @ Cameron. Everyone who has seen a game at W&J knows they get the calls. However, I have also seen many other home teams get calls. No matter what level it seems like the team that is known for traditionally winning or the home team seems to get some calls. All and all most of the time its not going to have that big of a deal on a 27 pt game.

I would like to see CMU get involved in the PAC but I think it will not happen based on their academic standards. I know W&J is a very honorable school and I am not putting them down by any means so don't get your panties in a bunch. Allegheny would also make a lot of sense to join the PAC but the same thing comes up.

I hope that W&J will run the table and represent the PAC very well in the playoffs. Congrats on winning the title and good luck in the playoffs.

I am looking forward to seeing Thiel in action in one of their last two games. They are looking to stick together after some unfortunate happenings in Greenville. One thing I know for sure is that the coaching staff and adminstration at Thiel will not let this horrible circumstance ruin a program on the rise. They are not meetting expectations this year but it is easy to fold the tent and harder to be winners. I know Coach Leip will take care of buisness this week and will look to play spoiler against CMU in Greenville the last week of the season.

Stick together Tomcats

Wes Mantooth · October 30, 2006, 01:50:21 PM

AC i dont smoke but thanks anyways. Mendel last two years ran for 800 yards splitting time in a pass first system. When you have a WR core and Qb like in 04 and 05 you are going to throw the ball to them.

Abels in 03 W&J game 31-127
Abels in 04 W&j Game 9-42
Abels in 05 W&J game 17-82
Abels in 06 W&J game 14-57

That looks like one big game in 4 years against W&J. Arent big time backs supposed to have great games against great teams. No doubt about it he is good. But if he is as talented as you say why is he splitting time with Daniels.

Now there is one clear difference and that is this Freshman do not start at W&J where as Waynesburg they do. Thats why Mendel has only played three years. That is also why W&J has the second most wins in NCAA football history , has won 18 of the last 20 conference championships, and plays into the playoffs every year and Waynesburg wines at home about what shouldve or couldve been. Maybe we will cheat into the playoffs next year too. Waynesburg has really fallen off the map after 03 and i dont see them getting any better after this year where i c a bright future for W&J and Thiel with people coming back.

30-3 is what it reads on the scoreboard.

Wes Mantooth · October 30, 2006, 02:03:46 PM

Cartel to help you out with your postings about CMU. I think W&j would handle CMU but they are not going to be playing in the playoffs there is to much going on in the next few weeks for that to happen. D line is about 240 across the board for W&J. Broadland is a beast this year where as before he got by with shear will this year he has the non stop motor to go along with size as he no longer weighs 240 more around 270. The last few years they have been pretty good against the run but struggled with Salisbury this year and Mary Hardin Baylor in 04 who runs the same triple option that CMU does. I think Salisbury is bigger and more physical and we all know UMHB is than CMU. Salisbury almost upset Wesley who is a top 5 team this week that should say something right there.

AC24#724 · October 30, 2006, 02:29:05 PM

Wes.............share the peace pipe with Bobby, he may take a puff...the playing time thing you would have to ask Coach on. that is a mystery for sure.......it's like letting the other player's get a chance too cause they are paying tuition too. 4.5 average for each carries is plenty enough if used properly to get you first downs.
Hey, who knows...Coach is trying to show Ables that it takes two to dance and keeps fresh legs in game and with any injury other back needs to be ready and have playing experience which isn't a bad thing. Both backs bring different things to game.
Freshman can start anywhere if their good enough, Mt Union back last year....and many others so you should leave the story ending on who didn't start and who did as Freshman, Sophomore and who was PAC 1st team and who wasn't in year two?? year three???. These are awards voted on by Coach's. Stats prevail and tell the truth.
Hey, if he don't make PAC 1st team this year so be it....but he has records that will be long lasting there.
They best start worrying about TMC and Bethany let alone playoffs but 1 of 2 games are at home or Referee Stadium.

Bob.Gregg · October 30, 2006, 02:58:37 PM

Quote from: AC24#724 on October 30, 2006, 12:24:02 PM
Truth Hurts uh.... Bobby Boy!!!
The person that never put a jock on in his life....

I never played football, if that's what you mean AC.

But I've been in the battle on another front. I've put a jock, and I actually wore it where it belongs.

I'll just have to guess that either you didn't have access to the film that I referenced, didn't have a player to watch it on, or can't figure out how to turn it on.

There is holding in every single football game, from Pop Warner to the NFL. Every game.

There is chopblocking in every single football game, from high school up.

There is downfield contact between receiver and defender in every game. Period.

But from Saturday's game, here's the fact:
W&J's Russ Chase is the only victim of a chop block who couldn't play the rest of the game. The only one. Your DL might have strangle marks on his neck, but he never missed a down. Your WR might feel like he was mugged, or hit late, or whatever, but he was able to play the rest of the game. Russ Chase was chopped, AFTER the play, and is done for the year.

Oh, there was your starting quarterback who didn't have the opportunity to throw the game-ending interception because of a roughing the passer penalty. I'll have to watch the film to see how late that hit was.

By the way, with less than a minute to go in a 24-3 loss, what exactly is the point of a multi-year starting quarterback dropping into his own end zone to pass? Was there some hope that 53 yards passing in 59 minutes would all of a sudden become 142 yards and the score 24-10?

Bob.Gregg · October 30, 2006, 03:02:17 PM

Since you're smoking, AC, put these little tidbits into your pipe:

vs. W&J the last three years, WC Ryan Abels, 191 yards, 1 touchdown.

vs. WC the last three years, W&J Ryan Mendel, 248 yards, 1 touchdown.

Oh, and by the way:

Saturday penalty yards...W&J 50, Waynesburg 43

I forgot this last one:

All-time series, W&J 31, Waynesburg 3
Since WC joined PAC, W&J 15, WC 1

I guess the League has allowed the Presidents to host 15 of the 16 meetings, eh?

AC24#724 · October 30, 2006, 04:28:28 PM

BG
Any many times were the Brink trucks outside stadium for it was ll fixeroo!!!
Just so happens big times guys were in stands and refs wanted to make sure their were no obstacles to get in their way wioth score outcome
Abels 3 First Team Pac's
Mendel None but maybe a second vote last year

Abels 3 Records at College
Mendel -None
Abels, More Rushing Yards, TD's and Scoring...it appears that this might be in Spanish to you but it is English Bobby Boy!
Don't forget it, penaly yards lasty week were all opportune times but if your hold the WHOLE game and nothing gets called how could you possiblyu lose, you just don't get it.

Wes Mantooth · October 30, 2006, 04:42:50 PM

Don't forget it, penaly yards lasty week were all opportune times but if your hold the WHOLE game and nothing gets called how could you possiblyu lose, you just don't get it.

AC Maybe you should learn how to spell or get some stress relief as you are little to angry to post.

Ryan Mendel 2(maybe 3) years in the playoffs. One year in the National Semifinals. 2(maybe 3) PAC Titles.

Ryan Abels one year in the playoffs. One PAC title. Records are great but not as good as winning.

You just dont get it

Bob i will be attending the TMC game maybe we can meet up and smoke our peace pipe after we hold and chop block our way to victory. I think i will maybe donate to the brinks truck fund so the victory is secured.

Bob.Gregg · October 30, 2006, 04:56:00 PM

somebody doesn't get it is right!

I'm reminded of that old saying:

"Never argue with an idiot. First, they'll drag you down to their level. Then, they'll beat you with experience."

By the way, Wes, Mendel's NEVER been to the National Semifinals with the Presidents. The Region Finals in 2004, but the Presidents haven't been to the National Semifinals since 1995.

Cleveland Cartel · October 30, 2006, 05:28:30 PM

It is 5 a clock and I am starting to wind down at work and I decide to look at the Posts and there is some action going on in the PAC!

AC,

I will agree with you that in Cameron WJ gets the calls, but that is no difference to WC getting the calls at home. In the PAC for some reason it seems as if the Home Team does get the calls.

I wouldn't mind going back and actually watching the film on the game and seeing it for myself, but holding takes place on every play just like Bob stated. You may have a case to a certain extent, but overall it seemed as if the Jackets had to be outcoaches and outplayed also. 30-3 just doesn't happen with a lucky calls and holding all game.

Mantooth,

I really liked one of your points and had to give you some props with positive Karma. Doesn't matter if you put a jock on or not, we are fans of this conference and having a differnce in opinion is what makes this forum Tick and i am happy to see it till a certain extent.

AC and Bob,

The better back...That is toss up and heres why....Abel's has been very consistent and premier running back for all four years. The Jackets had a couple of all time leading WR's who graduated a few years back i believe D'Imperio and E. Daniels, but Jeff Dumm was a hell of a QB, and he opened up the run game by passing all over defenses. Much credit must also go to the all time leading passer at WC.

WJ has prided itself with superior QB's and WR in the past few years. From Dawson to Edwards and Tood Fry, roger Snyder, Mike Virgin, Aaron Kreps, Jon Miller, and now Mcafferty. WJ has had a history of a 4 and four wide spread, and i might even be missing some great WR's for WJ. Bottom line is the Pass has always been first the last 6 years or so, and they have had the WR's to do that. Mendle is a great back he has speed and decsent size and is shifty enough.

If you compare on pure accolades Abels wins hands down, but if you take a look at the stats this year or who truly means more to the team. I have to go with Mendle and Mendle will push Abels for first team, and because they have a dual threat at WC it might hurt his chances at First team, also take into consideration that Daniels is haveing a better year statistical wise than Abels. Who knows???

There is also a tough back for the Tomcats in Steve Minton who has been injured hte last two games but has had some solid seasons in the past and a sub par season thus far.

South Willy · October 30, 2006, 05:53:45 PM

To All...

You guys are eally going to town today with all these stats and opinions. Can anyone tell me how BC gets blown out by Westminster then travels to TMC and upsets them 21-17. Strange season!!!

Switching fron RBs to Wrs, I think BC has the two best receivers in the PAC with Parker breaking all the records which Cruse will the chasing for the next four years. Any thoughts.

Cleveland Cartel · October 30, 2006, 06:02:29 PM

South Willy,

Parker has been one of the best WR's in the PAC for the worst team in the PAC for quite some time. Parker could start on any team in the PAC at the WR position.

Cruse is a playmaker and a possesion guy who can just plain out get it done. He will chase, but he will be given more attention and coverages to his side due to Parker's departure. It will depend on how hard he trains this offseason, the type of plays the Bisons draw up to free him or get him on 1 on 1 coverage. Good season for a freshmen, but the next few years will really tell us how good this freshmen can be when he is the go to guy and receiving all the attention. I hope they have a QB who can throw him the ball and a oline that can protect!

South Willy,

Cruse seems to be a good talent and he woudln't of gone unnoticed to the PAC teams. How did he end up in Bethany as opposed to WJ, WC, or Thiel?

PittTBCW · October 30, 2006, 06:22:23 PM

I have to chime in on the better back. I think Mendel is the better back as I have seen both play for years. Both backs are from areas that are close to me and I have seen both play over the past several years in PAC action. I also think that Mendel has a better offensive line. The bottom line is that both backs are great and it depends on the better offensive line. I can remember Abels running for 30 yards three years ago at Thiel when he was the leading rusher and watching Mendel run well against Thiel that same year. The old saying that I would rather have a good offensive line then a good back is so true. This is a typical case of two great backs with Mendel having the better offensive line. Anyone that follows either team will argue for their guy. I think they both are great backs and who really cares who is better. One thing for sure whoever the coaches think is better will be 1st team all conference this year and maybe that will settle the argument.