FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

SaintsFAN · November 09, 2006, 09:33:57 AM

Right, they are comparable to the 2000 Thomas More Saints....who went 9-1 losing to a THEN bad Thiel team and they stayed home. Their quality win that year was Hanover.

I also don't believe a win in St. Louis will compare to/ prepare for a playoff GAME.

Bob.Gregg · November 09, 2006, 09:37:01 AM

W&J's non-PAC opponents:
Salisbury, Allegheny, Hanover and Oberlin are a combined 18-18.

W&J's beaten PAC opponents:
Grove, Westm, Thiel, TMC, Way are a combined 19-26 (.422)

CMU's non-PAC opponents:
Hiram, F&M, Colo.Coll., CWRU, Chic, WashU are a combined 19-44.

CMU's beaten PAC opponents:
Grove, Westm, Beth are a combined 8-19 (.296)

Cleveland Cartel · November 09, 2006, 09:39:05 AM

Saints Fan,

Oh I remember as the seniors my freshmen year used to always remind us that summer working out of what we were capable of.

Bob,

I agree with you to a certain extent, but dont sell your schedule short especially compared to CMU. What teams do during the year plays a big role in the voters mind the quality of victories, but another factor that is in the mind of the voters is what has that program done lately in the last few years. With Thiel winning the PAC last year and going 11-1 its credible, and two years ago Waynesburg going to the playoffs. There are not many teams on CMU's scheudle if any that can attest to that comparison. A teams history is in the back of voters minds.

Cleveland Cartel · November 09, 2006, 09:41:12 AM

Good mathetmatics...

Really sums up CMU's level of competition this year. Just not adequate. We will see this weekend. If Thiel plays physical for 4 quarters CMU will not be able to rise to the occasion as they have in the previous 9 weeks. Smelling an upset in Greenville already!

oldtimer4774 · November 09, 2006, 09:55:04 AM

CC,

I agree about the potential "upset" brewing for this weekend. Although I dont know if it will be much of an upset. You take Albion and Alfred off of Thiels schedule and plug in two of the non -PAC teams that CMu played and Thiel is most likely 7-2 right now with a close losses to W&J and Waynesburg.......and working on an 8-2 season.

oldtimer4774 · November 09, 2006, 10:07:55 AM

Or, If you take Thiel's schedule from last year with the out of conference games being OWU and Bluffton at the beginning, again Thiel is probably 7-2 right now.

BDTartan · November 09, 2006, 01:45:02 PM

Look, all I can say for the fifteenth time that this CMU team is different from last year's with almost the same roster. If those guys don't expect Thiel to come out banging after last year's 3 OT thriller at Gesling than I myself don't believe they are worthy of the playoffs. CMU will be ready for Thiel. Who wins? I can't say. Last year, folks would have thought the Tomcats go into to Gesling and pull the starters by half-time, but it went 3 extra periods so...................I'm not making any predictions, I'm just saying CMU knows what to expect from a Thiel team.

Bob.Gregg · November 09, 2006, 01:48:17 PM

BD, I would hope anybody with the grades/scores to get INTO CMU would be able to expect their football opponent to come out ready to play.

And none of us need to be told for the umpteenth time that "this CMU team is different from last year's"....we get it!

Some of us actually have grades & scores that could have/did get US into CMU! Imagine that!

BDTartan · November 09, 2006, 01:49:37 PM

Also, Saintsfan, I wasn't comparing a win in St. Louis to a playoff game. I was just trying to point out that it was a huge game for their program in a hostile environment. i.e. CMU hadn't won a UAA tile in 9 years and hadn't beat Wash U. in 8 years. By no means did I think it compared to a playoff game, but it was still a huge game with a different type of atmosphere than any of their other games so far this year.

BDTartan · November 09, 2006, 01:51:10 PM

Bob, wasn't trying to knock your intelligence. Sorry if you felt that way. Just wanted to make clear that I doubt Thiel is going to surprise CMU with anything. They may beat them, but it won't be by surprise.

Bob.Gregg · November 09, 2006, 02:02:44 PM

I don't imagine I'm the only one that's been around a while that will tell you this:

I'd be very, very careful calling the Washington U. victory a "huge win". Thiel's win over W&J last year was Huge. That was a victory by a down-trodden program against a year-in-and-year-out NCAA playoff participant.

CMU's win over Washington U. was the first for the Tartans in sometime (8-9 years) despite the fact that the Bears haven't won more than 6 games in a season since CMU students solved all of the world's Y2K problems... Of course, come to think of it, CMU hadn't won more than six games in a season since then either--until now.

The CMU overtime victory was important for the Tartans and, in the narrow scope of the 2006 season and its promise, was sizable, no doubt. A "huge win"? I'm not ready to go there, and its size certainly diminishes if the Tartans fail to finish the job against the Tomcats!

BDTartan · November 09, 2006, 02:08:41 PM

Oh, Bob, I understand fully what you are saying. And I don't doubt you or anybody else's wisdom. I just know from speaking to a few of the guys that it seemed like they got a monkey off their back you know what I mean? I personally probably used the wrong word, regardless it was a big win for CMU, who haven't sniffed a season like this since 1990.

Also, I have no doubt that everyone on this board is going to be behind Thiel and W&J if CMU wins out and meets up with W&J in the first round. As I've stated before, its pretty boring(crickets chirping) over on the UAA board. I'm not coming over here running my mouth or making predictions. I just wanted some conversation that involved CMU and their next opponent and maybe their first round opponent. So, sorry if anybody is offended by me. I'll leave and head back to the desert(UAA board) if you guys want.

Bob.Gregg · November 09, 2006, 02:33:51 PM

I wasn't offended. I don't think others were.

Just sharing some thoughts from the vantage point of experience. And also because I'm not big on hyperbole...

Cleveland Cartel · November 09, 2006, 03:47:49 PM

Tartan,

NO need to leave you know the role that everyone else in this forum is going to take and taht is the back of a PAC team.

Question for the Board...

If the tomcats Slam CMU back to Gesling with a lopsided win. Should CMU still make the playoffs?

South Willy · November 09, 2006, 03:59:24 PM

CC..

I guess it shouold depend on which teams are on the bubble??? W & J also has what most would call a bad loss but it occured back in Sept. There's no shame in lossing to Thiel. Both would be 9-1 (BC won't be a problem) and we know W & J will get in.

Having talked with BC players after the CMU game, I don't see a lot of points being scored on the CMU defense so I think Thiel at home may win but it will be competitive.