FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

CNU85 · November 14, 2006, 10:51:49 AM

HEHEHE...Bring it on!!

CNU85 · November 14, 2006, 10:53:03 AM

Hilliard should be National Player of the Year ...since he got all 1,000 plus yards and 15 TDs behind a fat, slow, lazy , O-Line!!

erniesfreestyle · November 14, 2006, 11:14:42 AM

mendels stats are better than hilliard and he too lined up behind a fat and slow offensive line, not too lazy tho

EC Warrior · November 14, 2006, 11:34:33 AM

If I were a lineman, I wouldn't mind being called fat and slow, I'm sure every RB agrees. I think lazy just comes with the O-lineman territory

erniesfreestyle · November 14, 2006, 12:26:35 PM

the only thing lineman can strive to be is sweet and no one is sweeter than teter

Wes Mantooth · November 14, 2006, 01:58:00 PM

Fat and slow is what we as oline are. CNU looks to be what they normally are when we played them in the past. Fast aggresive but small D and a ground controlled offense that doesnt have to many big strike guys. Games are usually close but the team with the most Offense usually wins. I like W&J in that department as i think their fat and slow o line is better than CNU. No one is sweeter than teter.

the_burghboy · November 14, 2006, 08:24:56 PM

Quote from: CNU85 on November 14, 2006, 10:32:12 AM
Dang...I cam erushing onto this board to help out CNU fans.......but it's not needed. Erniefreestyle has obvious issues and I can't pick on him....it'd be too easy. Let's just let the fat, slow, lazy linemen at CNU do the talking on Saturday!!!

Hey....anybody want to cut and paste those remarks for the locker room?

1.) Direct your mouse to the upper left hand corner and click on 'File'.
2.) Direct mouse down until you click on 'Print'.
3.) Go to your printer and take piece of paper with message above.
4.) Drive to Krispy Kremes, order a dozen donuts.
5.) Attach printed message to donuts
6.) Give to newports 'team leader' of the offensive line.

Cleveland Cartel · November 15, 2006, 11:05:41 AM

BURGH BOY and Crew,

I hope those remarks would not be pasted and put in the locker room for CNU. If that is what it takes to get CNU "JACKED UP" to play WJ this saturday than they shouldn't be in the position they are currently.

Which is obviously not the case, but pretty sad if this posts from the PAC forum on d3football from a bunch of alumni and ex-players is going to be used as motivational material.

If you want some bulletin board material go to WJ website:

QuoteThe Presidents (9-1) and Captains (8-2) will meet for the third time in the past five seasons in the NCAA playoffs with W&J winning the prior two contests. Washington & Jefferson earned a 24-10 victory over CNU at Cameron Stadium in the first round of the 2002 playoffs and then posted a 24-14 home triumph in the second round of the 2004 playoffs.

Seems as if the Prez have the shut down CNU in 2 out of 3 meetings. If i were CNU senior today I would have that 2004 game in the back of my mind and this saturday is your redemption day. The Prez have the leg up whether its coaching or talent, and if I am CNU saturday is an opportunity to payback to the team who knocked you out in 04.

Payback's a blank........

Can CNU pay it back?

CNU85 · November 15, 2006, 11:43:05 AM

Cartel...you are 100% right on target!

Burghboy - can't find my mouse...an O-lineman must've eaten it!!

South Willy · November 15, 2006, 12:03:45 PM

CC...

I like Joe Tuscano's story in the Washington paper. All this talk about W & J vs CNU and it doesn't even seem like the game should have been scheduled. W & J vs CMU would have been a great first round game.

I also think it's interesting that the NCAA committee can put the brackets together without an explanation to or questions from anyone. Even the NCAA D1 basketball committee discusses and explains their placements.

Bob.Gregg · November 15, 2006, 12:12:25 PM

South,

While I would have enjoyed the W&J/CMU game, it should NOT have been scheduled. Had the NCAA not fouled up the mileage situation, W&J WOULD have been flying to HSU for the first round.

The Mellons are the four seed in the bracket. Christopher Newport is the five seed and SHOULD be playing at Carnegie-Mellon. W&J, as the six seed should be at #3 HSU. Trinity should host Millsaps and W&L/Dickinson at Wesley.

The Regional Rankings, for several weeks, disregarded the published criteria, listing W&J ahead of CNU.

The Captains finished with the same in-region record as the Presidents. They finished with a higher QOWI index. They finished with a win against a regionally-ranked opponent (UMHB). They finished with a win against a common opponent (Salisbury) that the Presidents lost to.

The National Committee, correctly, seeded CNU 5th, ahead of the Presidents. The ONLY reason W&J is playing CNU and not HSU is Mileage-Gate '06.

CMU/W&J would have been fun. It would have drawn many more people than Millsaps/CMU. It would have generated additional income and reduced expenses. It also would have added to Bracket-Gate '06.

While I would rather be sleeping in my own bed Friday night sted a hotel room somewhere in northern Virginia on my way to Newport News, that would have opened the door to yet another charge of dereliction of duty against the oft-maligned NCAA.

No, Joe's article, while it sounds good, comes up short on the facts of the matter.

Ralph Turner · November 15, 2006, 12:31:31 PM

Quote from: Bob.Gregg on November 15, 2006, 12:12:25 PM
South,

While I would have enjoyed the W&J/CMU game, it should NOT have been scheduled. Had the NCAA not fouled up the mileage situation, W&J SHOULD have been flying to HSU for the first round.

The Mellons are the four seed in the bracket. Christopher Newport is the five seed and SHOULD be playing at Carnegie-Mellon. W&J, as the six seed should be at #3 HSU. Trinity should host Millsaps and W&L/Dickinson at Wesley.

The Regional Rankings, for several weeks, disregarded the published criteria, listing W&J ahead of CNU.

The Captains finished with the same in-region record as the Presidents. They finished with a higher QOWI index. They finished with a win against a regionally-ranked opponent (UMHB). They finished with a win against a common opponent (Salisbury) that the Presidents lost to.

The National Committee, correctly, seeded CNU 5th, ahead of the Presidents. The ONLY reason W&J is playing CNU and not HSU is Mileage-Gate '06.

CMU/W&J would have been fun. It would have drawn many more people than Millsaps/CMU. It would have generated additional income and reduced expenses. It also would have added to Bracket-Gate '06.

While I would rather be sleeping in my own bed Friday night sted a hotel room somewhere in northern Virginia on my way to Newport News, that would have opened the door to yet another charge of dereliction of duty against the oft-maligned NCAA.

No, Joe's article, while it sounds good, comes up short on the facts of the matter.

+1 karma, bob! Excellent discussion of the situation.

As the recipient of NCAA Bracket-logic, I would have conceded reverse bracket logic in a CMU-W&J game for these reasons.

#3 HSU is either the 2nd or the 3rd team selected in Pool C. (Capital, then either UW-L or HSU. HSU beat also UW-SP, and every bit as convincingly as UW-L.)
#4 CMU gets a home game.
#5 CNU has to go on the road. Strict bracketing should send them to CMU, where I believe they would have won. Instead, they are the beneficiary of HSU's mis-fortune.
#6 W&J should go on the road. A quick trip into CMU minimizes lost classtime and gets the student-athletes back to Washington, PA by 6pm Sat night. That also saves money!
#7 Millsaps can be rightly bussed to UMHB.

For all of the clamoring by some CNU fans, they are the big winners in this one. I think that they got the easiest draw possible (#6 W&J). They get (HSU's) home game. And, as a #4/#5-type seed, they get on the other side of the bracket from Wesley!

The committee could have just looked at Pat's bracket on the projections page, said that is close enough to what they saw in the numbers, used that as the bracket and be done with it, and few woudl have known any difference. (If the Millsaps-to-UMHB mileage data had been present for the selection committee's use, I wonder if we might not have seen it happen.)

Bob.Gregg · November 15, 2006, 12:35:48 PM

Thanks, Ralph.

I'm always in favor of doing things right.

I was guilty of overlooking the misplaced regional rankings for two weeks.
In fact, I overlooked them putting my brackets together, then realized when I was looking at them for about the fourth time....

CNU is benefitting, and they're out there, crowing "We should be at home". Sorry, fellas. You're at home--it's a gift from Mileage-Gate '06. Take it and be happy.

The pre-announcement WHINING without providing cheese for the rest of us was rather unbecoming.

Cleveland Cartel · November 15, 2006, 12:57:00 PM

Ralph and Bob,

I understand completely the "Mileage-Gate 06."
I understand how they want to save on travel costs, and have the drives for the families of these kids shortened so they can watch their kids possible last football game of their careers.

And that this is not the NFL, NBA, or MLB where they have a diverse flow of revenue coming into the leagues.

What I am indifferent about is their strategy in altering these games. As you stated CNU are the real winners in this process, but if they were to let the chips fall were they are supposed to just like in the MLB,NBA, NFL. Would we be talking about the same matchups for all these teams? Probably not, and with that being said do you feel a coach would rather fly or drive the extra miles to have a matchup against a team he feels confident they could beat.

From what your saying is CNU got the benefit with Home field advantage which HSU should of recieved and you believe that CNU got the best Matchup draw against #6 WJ.

Last few weeks this board has been drueling over a WJ at CMU matchup in the Burgh! And personally thats a great matchup for WJ, and pretty much a home game also cause its only 45 minutes or so away, with lots of alumni in the Pittsburgh area from WJ.

Maybe I am wrong they are 2-3 against CNU in the playoffs over the last 5 years according to the article!!!

Sounds as if WJ got the worse of this NCAA strategy...

When will the NCAA let the chips fall by themselves and not strategize over location, location, and location?

Bob.Gregg · November 15, 2006, 01:06:59 PM

W&J is 2-0 vs. the Captains in the playoffs.

2002 first round game, W&J 24, CNU 10:
W&J moved at will in first half, scoring tds on two of first 3 possesions.
Fumble in CNU territory on second possession, downs inside the 30 on fourth and missed FG on the fifth possession.

Captains held to four first downs and 78 yards offense in second half. Meanwhile, only two W&J turnovers stopped Presidents, scoring field goal, touchdown and kneeling down at the Captain's 15 to end the game on the three other second-half possesions. W&J held ball for the final 8:24 of the game.

2004 second round game, W&J 24, CNU 14:
Captains led 14-7 at the half. Once again, failed to score in second half as W&J put up 17 third quarter points for win. Captains gained just 129 yards after intermission. Presidents score td, td, field goal on first three possession of second half.

Seven consecutive punts between the teams after 24-14 score.