FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[OldPhart]

W&J faces Oberlin this weekend.  Not likely to be a "test" for the Presidents.  That said - does anyone know what W&J is going to do for the non-conference part of their schedule?  While Hanover hasn't put up much of a challenge lately I am expecting that they will still be on the schedule.   The NCAC teams - including Allegheny - have not reliabally made a game of it with W&J.   Certainly, W&J hasn't dodged talented teams entirely in recent history - Salisbury springs to mind.  But I am wondering what the non-conference outlook for W&J is now that there are so few spots to fill.

[South Willy]

I'm surprised W & J doesn't play CMU unless they feel it might be a post season preliminary.

I'm intersted to see if BC can compete with Geneva this Saturday night. Offensive line has played well against lower competition but the Geneva run defense is superb. If Joyner has any time, the aerial game can also carry the load.

Wesminster gave Geneva basically 4 defensive TDs in their 37-14 loss so perhaps with an turnover free offense, BC can make it a game, maybe 21-10. Probably wishful thinkling.

[the_burghboy]

W&J used to play in the PAC, but left the conference after the 1989 season. 

I don't know how factual this is, but I know there was some hard feelings at the time of their departure. 

The CMU faithful (or at least folks I knew that attended there) claimed it was better for them to move to the UAA overall as an athletic program.  We seemed to believe it more as them starting to take their lumps more times than not at that period. 

I always felt that may be the case, especially since they played (and continue to play) other PAC teams out of conference (Grove City, Bethany, etc)  but not W&J, and was told during my time there that CMU rebuffed attempts to schedule. 

Now, how much of that is true, who knows?  I do remember it was tougher to schedule teams when I was there outside of the conference,  because some teams thought it could jepordize any potential playoff standing or selection at the time.

   

[SaintsFAN]

by the way,

has anyone been to the Geneva website?  go to their page and then click on "winning tradition" and tell me what you think.   

My thoughts are that everyone does PR as best as they can to sell themselves to recruits.    I am guessing it is factually correct - although some of the rankings quoted seem to be a bit contrived. 

I look at it as similar to W&J's "History" which notes "they have played in two Division III National Championship games in the past 10 years (1992, 1994)"  (hmm - somebody might want to change that to 15 years now...).   It sells the program as best as it can to the public and by extension to prospective players.   Why not?

oldphart,

ok here goes Thomas More's.....  All-time winningest college football program in Northern Kentucky......has made the NCAA Playoffs more times than any other team in Kentucky and Alaska....

[the_burghboy]

I think there are just plain 'errors' that I have read in the W&J PR things online and in their media guide.

They have listed at least four players I know of (and played with) that are listed as graduating three years later than they actualy did. 

It's probably more of 'you get what you pay for' than anything in terms of people actually tracking/compiling the information. 

[Bob.Gregg]

I think there are just plain 'errors' that I have read in the W&J PR things online and in their media guide.

They have listed at least four players I know of (and played with) that are listed as graduating three years later than they actualy did. 

If you found errrors, I'm sure Scott McGuinness would appreciate hearing about them:

smcguinness@washjeff.edu

Knowing him, he'll probably even CORRECT them... You get what you pay for, and he's pretty good at what he does!

W&J used to play in the PAC, but left the conference after the 1989 season. 

And, by the way, W&J never left the PAC.  CMU did.  Get what you pay for I guess.  j/k

[the_burghboy]

I have no interest in emailing anyone over corrections on a media guide or online information.  Just simply responding with my opinion to an earlier topic and what I read.   Im lucky to have enough time to read/post here when I can.

Thanks for the correction on CMU and leaving the PAC, which I obviously meant.  Keep the change. 

[jpdornberger]

At the time CMU left the PAC - they were virtually tied with Bethany as W&J's longest rival having played CMU & Bethany over 60 times each.  In the early part of the 1900's they played big-time games at Forbes Field.  But after W&J got good they bailed - I guess trying to hold on to their 32-26-5 advantage.

Before Geneva went NAIA they were one of W&J's biggest rivals playing 54 times before this year.

Jim D.

W&J used to play in the PAC, but left the conference after the 1989 season. 

I don't know how factual this is, but I know there was some hard feelings at the time of their departure. 

The CMU faithful (or at least folks I knew that attended there) claimed it was better for them to move to the UAA overall as an athletic program.  We seemed to believe it more as them starting to take their lumps more times than not at that period. 

I always felt that may be the case, especially since they played (and continue to play) other PAC teams out of conference (Grove City, Bethany, etc)  but not W&J, and was told during my time there that CMU rebuffed attempts to schedule. 

Now, how much of that is true, who knows?  I do remember it was tougher to schedule teams when I was there outside of the conference,  because some teams thought it could jepordize any potential playoff standing or selection at the time.

[the_burghboy]

Very interesting post.

I do enjoy the media guide and previous programs in years past that list all of the W&J opponents (and let me thank Mr. McGuinness for this, or his predecessors if needed so nobody gets ruffled) and records. 

My brother in law actually played at CMU, where he was well versed on his program's history, notably Carnegie Tech defeating Notre Dame in 1926 of the days of Rockne (listed recently with the Michigan upset earlier this year:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-09-05-2831609473_x.htm)

We actually both agree that CMU and W&J should renew the rivalry, and we always hope for a first round matchup to occur in the playoffs when both are eligible.  Wishful thinking I guess.

[South Willy]

I can understand not wanting to take on W & J annually as a non-conference opponent but CMU was always competitive in the PAC and certainly didn't have to move out to a softer 4 team conference. Their academic tradition certainly fits their present conferance but they generally fielded a pretty good team every year. The academics didn't seem to hinder the recruiting that much.
BC has been completely outplayed by both schools with a few exceptions & for over a century in W & Js case. During my 4 years at BC we went 2-2 with W & J which is probably as good as it gets for BC.
I enjoyed my time at BC and I'm glad to see my son playing ball for the Bison.

[PittTBCW]

welcome to the official Bob Swallow is the greatest QB in W&J History Fanclub.  feel free to jump on the bandwagon

I shot out the wheels on this wagon.

[PittTBCW]

Had a busy week last week and up to now this week.

Wanted to say congrats to all the PAC winners last week!

As for how I see the conference unfolding:


W&J
Waynesburg
Thiel
Westminster
Bethany
Grove City
Thomas More

Predictions:

Saturday, September 22
Thomas More at Thiel* – 1 p.m.

Thiel gets on track with a win last week as TMC lost their first conference game of the season to GCC. I see this being a tight game. I think that the Thiel defense will put alot of pressure on that TM offense and force a few turnovers in order to get thier first home and PAC win of the season.

Thiel 17     TMC 7


Bethany at Geneva* – 6:30 p.m.

Bethany is getting better game by game year by year. Geneva has scholarship people that are a step above. The game is interesting and exciting but Geneva is too much at the end.

Bethany 20  Geneva 31


Waynesburg at Grove City* – 7 p.m.

Grove City fresh off a huge victory vs TMC is under the lights to play the Yellow Jackets. Although the scene will be great, the visitors will be too much.

Waynesburg 27 GCC 14


Oberlin at Washington & Jefferson – 7 p.m.

Can you say offense??? W&J has it and there will be plenty of it. Too many weapons for Oberlin under the lights in Washington PA.

W&J 63 Oberlin 2

Saint Vincent, Westminster – open


Good Luck to everyone as PAC play really begins this week!!!

[jpdornberger]

How does W&J who put up 50 by half-time get passed in the rankings by a team with an open date?

Jim D.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

How does W&J who put up 50 by half-time get passed in the rankings by a team with an open date?

Jim D.

It's not that voters moved Trinity (Texas) over Washington and Jefferson, it's that some ballots moved the Tigers up higher than they did the Presidents.

In other words, both TU and W&J received more points this week than last, it's simply that there were ballots that, because of other top 25 losses last week, bumped TU higher than they did W&J (because of who, if any, above them lost).

An example ... a voter may have had W&J ranked in his or her top 10, and Springfield (who lost) may have been already ranked below them. If they had Trinity at let's say No. 17 last week, then TU would have gained another vote or two from that voter with Springfield slipping down. W&J wouldn't, because they were already ranked above Springfield.

[SaintsFAN]

yeah, what he said...

JK, that does explain it pretty well...