FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[Wes Mantooth]

To help out BigErn. Two year starting center who may have not been all confernce but was an emotional leader on a very good team. Came back 5 games after a blown knee to play through 3 rounds of playoff games when can Thiel ever say that. Darkside you were a very very good player and all everything but what happened in 04 when that big time pass rush got buried in the ground with 250 yds from Zitz and Mendel. Thiel had their one year in the spot light and Leip turned that ship around in 05. Now no more dwelling in the past but Thiel is down this year and W&J is up. W&J is in a title fight and they are going to take everyones best shot. Dont think W&J is all flash and pass with Swallow. Mathews and Jones are a fast and formidable backfield. Thiel will come and play their superbowl for the year and we will see what happens. I respect the job Leip has done at Thiel and i hope that they do not fall in the basement and can continue the Rivalry with W&J.

[oldtimer4774]

Well I guess some sympathy to Bigern then because he played center and it would have been hard to beat out Thiel's center for all PAC through those years, he was pretty good.

[the_burghboy]

Can I address the 'arrogance' issue?

I definitely have seen it from some W&J posters since I have been here, but I think it equates more to who is having success that year.   

I noticed the same arrogance a while ago when Thiel was going toe to toe with W&J, and the year that Waynesburg won the conference?  Well, I haven't seen any of those posters since. 

If I come across arrogant, please feel free to put me in my place.  I admit (to no offense to the other PAC posters/supporters) that I see the expectation of W&J at MORE than winning the PAC, just because that's the expectation there.  Or should continue to be.

As for my playing time and honors, if you really want to know, I'm happy to tell it privately, but don't think that should give me any more or less credibility.  I post a lot at work and prefer to be as anonymus as possible.  I would rather share my opinions with keeping my war stories at a minimum.  Besides, my Dad used to tell me that if one has to brag about something,  they probably didn't do it.   

[SaintsFAN]

burghboy,

so bragging about NOT playing very well at QB, whats that make me??

haha

[Pat Coleman]

Well grounded.

[SaintsFAN]

Pat,

I was that too...wait.  I thought you meant on the ground alot.   

[Darkside90]

[quote author=Bigernernwj69 link=topic=3947.msg761612#msg761612 date=119064396
Lets put things back into reality Darkside which i think is the dumbest chant ever when crossing the fifty, when i went to W&J we past the fifty a lot and trust me heard that chant a lot. I will give you the one win and your first PAC championship, but do not ever put yourself in the same class as W&J. For instance we win the PAC because we are suppose to HENCE PRESIDENT ATHLETIC CONFERENCE, therefore we do not have a big party and buy team rings. You would have thought you guys won the national championship after beating us. Now let's put something else into perspective. Thiel is last in the conference right now and Thiel even though they have a young offensive line they are still suppose to have the best running back in the conference Minton. Once again i would not think that someone who works at McDonalds would know any better. The only reason you went to Thiel is because W&J did not want you and your grades where something like 2.2 GPA and SAT's 890. We do not only recruit kids that can play ball but also kids who can read and write. That's one big difference from our two schools. How many times in a row did W&J beat Thiel before the upset? I will tell you it was something like the first time in 24 years. Also Darkside, if for one second you think the team this year at Thiel is even close to the caliber of the team that came into Cameron two years ago then you are on drugs. Your O-line will feel the wrath of W&J's front seven. Look for people like Jeff Ernst to get his second National award from d3football.com, and when you play Grove City I will be looking for their defensive player to have a field day as well. Which in the end no matter how you look at Thiel was a one hit wonder. Time for the upper tier teams to take back over the league. Which do not included Thiel. Thomas More yes Thiel no.

Hey smallerner,
Reading your post went like this: Blaaaaahblaaaaaahblaaaaahblahblahlblahblah, I'm an arrogant W&J has been, blahblahblahblahblahblahblah, I have no life outside of W&J, blahblahblahblah, but then you actually said somethings that caught my attention.  First, you said that the only reason I went to Thiel was b/c W&J didn't want me, which is funny b/c W&J was the first school to recruit me my Sr. year of high school.  In fact Coach Banizack (sp) and Coach Durham (sp) did such a good job recruiting me that I almost commited.  The next funny thing you said is that I wasn't smart enough to get into W&J, which is hilarious b/c the main reason I chose Thiel over W&J was due to the fact that Thiel gave me a full tuition acaedemic scholarship, while W&J only covered half.  Then, me being the "dummy" that I am, I graduated in 4yrs with an "A" average majoring in Biology and minoring in Chemistry.  Then, I got even dumber and received another full tuition scholarship to UT School of Medicine. 
The funniest thing of all is that even with you being the W&J coat tail rider that you are, I probably have more respect at W&J than you do.  The next time your on their campus trying to relive your unglory days, tell Coach S. and the W&J faithful that #90 from Thiel sends his regards.  Don't worry even though they might not know you, they'll know who your talking about.
Now I have to get back to studying.

[Pat Coleman]

SaintsFAN: Nice.

[Darkside90]

To help out BigErn. Two year starting center who may have not been all confernce but was an emotional leader on a very good team. Came back 5 games after a blown knee to play through 3 rounds of playoff games when can Thiel ever say that. Darkside you were a very very good player and all everything but what happened in 04 when that big time pass rush got buried in the ground with 250 yds from Zitz and Mendel. Thiel had their one year in the spot light and Leip turned that ship around in 05. Now no more dwelling in the past but Thiel is down this year and W&J is up. W&J is in a title fight and they are going to take everyones best shot. Dont think W&J is all flash and pass with Swallow. Mathews and Jones are a fast and formidable backfield. Thiel will come and play their superbowl for the year and we will see what happens. I respect the job Leip has done at Thiel and i hope that they do not fall in the basement and can continue the Rivalry with W&J.

hey Wes,
Thanks for the personal compliment, but about the 04 comments.  It doesn't really make sense to question the effectiveness of Thiel's pass rushers by talking about how effective W&J's running game was.  You want to know what happened to the pass rush, well considering that you guys only passed about 12X for something like 70 yrds, I don't really thing we need much of a pass rush.  I'll be the first to admit that I wouldn't have being throwing much either if I had Big Z and Mendel pounding the rock like that, and I think they actually rushed for more like 275 on us that day.  The thing is that not needing to pass b/c of a effective running game has never stopped W&J from throwing the ball.  Passing is in your blood, and the main reason they didn't was b/c of the PASS RUSH.  I gained alot of respect for W&J that day.  Instead of being stubborn and taking the risk of throwing the ball they played it smart and kept pounding the rock and not only preserved the lead but they extended it.  If they had taken that same approach in 05 they might have survived the Thiel Blitzkrieg instead they underestimated the Thiel secondary.  Despite not having 4 time All-American Kennard Davis back there Thiel was able to pick Edwards off 5X and the PASS RUSHERS gave the poor kid a beating. 
If you want us to stay in the present then don't bring up subjects from the past, or I'll have to respond.  When it comes down to it as a player I had a lot of hostility towards W&J, but I always respected that program.  Most of all I have major respect for its coaches from Coach Banizak (sp) to Coach Sirianni (sp) both of whom showed me a great deal of respect.   

[the_burghboy]

burghboy,

so bragging about NOT playing very well at QB, whats that make me??

haha

Very well rounded and credible. 

[Wes Mantooth]

Darkside agree with you completely we ran the ball right at you as we respected your pass rush ability and wanted to limit that. Also felt you were very undersized and could run at the d Line. I wish they would have ran the ball more in 05 as well it could have cut down on TO. Again they played to the strengths of that team which was 5 great WR and 1 big time QB. They were able to pass for a good amount of yards but the picks killed and were a direct result of pressure. I only threw the 04 comment out there as a jarb back at the 05 comment. Just a good natured comeback i am glad you are doing well for yourself. We def could have used your pass rush in the playoffs a few times. We will see what happens in a couple of weeks between the Tomcats and the Prez.

[SaintsFAN]

Hey guys great article on W&J QB/RB in the "Around the Region" feature on the front page.  What I really like is how these two juniors both have their priorities straight...talking about going to grad school after they graduate.  In my opinion, this is the essence of Division III football. 


Some picks for this weekend? 

I like Thomas More....homecoming....football alums being asked to come back....its going to be a great day to be a Saint. 

(this prediction is sponsored by Thiel Radio)   

[South Willy]

SaintsFAN....How in the world is your young offense going to score enough points to offset the WC running game. With only one score at Thiel it doesn't  bode well even at homecoming.
My question, does anythink BC can stay with Thiel?

[PittTBCW]

PittTBCW
I wanted to fill you in on a little bit of information before you go shooting wagon tires off and if it is anything like how you played i am sure Bobby Swallow will be just fine.

How do you know how I played???

Its my opinion and I stand by it. I have seen both play. I think Dawson is a better qb. I don't need stats to justify why I think Dawson is better. Just because someone has better stats does not make them a better qb all of the time. Being a qb means more then throwing the pill around and scoring TD's against teams that aren't very good. I want to see him play more before I can say he is the best qb ever to play at W&J. He might end up being the best but right now I would take Dawson. My opinion could change next week, next month, maybe next year, maybe in 2040 when the Penguins lease is up. Unlike you I don't think I know everything.

[PittTBCW]

Bigern,

Lost alot of respect for you plain and simple. Bashing Thiel College might make you feel good but there are alot of people that called Greenville home for many years. Those people went on to do alot of good all over. I know a few W&J grads that aren't exactly making ends meet. W&J is a great school with alot of prestige. It also seems to have some people who aren't first class and respectable like yourself. Maybe instead of humping Swallows you can get your head out of you know where and wake up and smell the coffee. I hope I never meet you and you change your tune because if I happen to run into you your going to be remembering the darkside for along time.