FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

Cleveland Cartel · October 29, 2007, 05:27:58 PM

Anyone else's thoughts besides (WesMantooth AKA EX QB) PREZ Vs Yellow Jackets Game?

I actually listened to it on the radio and it seemed as if Waynesburg was able to run at will. Is Mr. Heller that Good or is Waynesburg Offensive Line that Powerful and technically sound?

Bob Swallow is a very good Quarterback and I am excited for the Prez to represent the PAC in the playoffs. What else will the Prez need to do in order to go deep into the Playoffs?

If any of the D3 Guru's that have run the power rankings for Waynesburg. Where do they stand today? what is the probablility that the PAC gets two teams in for the first time ever?

My beloved Tomcats what a down year for them it has been. 1-4 in the PAC!

South Willy,

With the change of Joyner going to QB months ago. How has he embraced the QB role? Seems as if he had no qualms of taking the QB position over and really doing what was best for the team. Joyner could of set more individual WR records this year if he would of stayed at the position. THis really opens the door for Cruze to get in the ball more and by his senior year possibly break open all the WR records at Bethany.

Now that last scenario isn't too bad!

Mad Anthony · October 30, 2007, 08:24:45 AM

CC -- I was at the PAC game of the year last Saturday. If Waynesburg had a quarterback who could hit the broad side of a barn the outcome of this game would probably have been very different. 4 of 16 just doesn't win many ball games, although it came close in this instance. This was the first time I had seen Swallow play, he is quite efficient and darn near flawless, but W&J's ball control passing game is mind numbingly boring. Can this kid throw the ball downfield !?
The Greensburg newspaper last week referred to Mr. Heller as "Bo" Heller. Does anyone know if the folks in Monongahela know him by that moniker ? For a football star, "Bo" sure fits better than "Robert".
"GO BO !" Should be resounding through the hills of Greene County for the next three years and, yes, he is the real deal with super acceleration through any hole that presents itself and the speed to outrun virtually any defensive back who doesn't have the angle on him.

South Willy · October 30, 2007, 09:07:01 AM

CC, it's good to hear from you.

Joyner is a very good athlete and might have been special at QB if he had played 4 years. His weakness is he has absolutely no touch. Every pass is a rocket no matter the distance and he can't throw deep over the top. He's a streak passer, when he's on its great but when he's off, he's way off.

Last Sat, he completed 16 of 31 for 239 yds and at least 10 balls were diving cathces by WRs. He bounced balls all over the field, WRs saved him all day but his stats look good. Cruse had 5 catches for 80 yrds, 1TD and was on the turf for every catch.

Joyner is a senior and I don't think coaches are positive about backup QB's on the roster. BC having a solid building year and might get to 5-5 if we can surprise CMU this week.

PittTBCW · October 30, 2007, 10:45:15 AM

Glad to see your alive CC! Hope all is well!

I think W&J just needs to stay healthy and not turn the ball over. If they do this and play good defense they should be able to make a good run into the playoffs. One problem may be defending the run. They are going to see backs like Heller in the playoffs and unless they are able to jump on teams and get a big lead they are going to see teams running at them. They need to sturdy up the run defense and tackle better.

Wes Mantooth · October 30, 2007, 10:54:00 AM

CC while my email states the same starting letter and last name i can assure you i have never thrown a pass @ W&J. Chris Edwards happens to be a ex W&J QB but Wes is not Chris Edwards. I have caught passes from him but it was before the game and even warmups. He has the best arm in W&J history.

I agree that Waynesburg needs a QB but they have not had one since Dumm. I doubt recruiting wise they are going to bring in a good one with the offense that they RUN. No good High school QB is going to want to head to the burg and throw the ball 15 times when they can go up the road and throw it 40 times. I also think that if W&J scores the three times they turned the ball over either on downs or fumbles in the red zone the outcome is not as close. Woulda coulda shoulda great game that could have gone either way but went in favor of the Prez.

Darkside90 · October 30, 2007, 11:55:20 PM

Quote from: EC Warrior on October 29, 2007, 11:03:15 AM
I was checking out the PAC stats this morning and came across this one:

RECEPTIONS/GAME Team Cl G Rec Yds TD Avg/C Rec/G Long
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1. Ian Tobin...... GRO SR 8 60 315 0 5.2 7.50 25

I don't think I've ever seen a statline like this one. 60 catches is by far leading the PAC, but for just 315 yards and 5.2 YPC! I know this isn't very important to anything, just thought that was a very odd stat.

Wow EC!!! You've got wayyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
Can you also tell me how many Minutes Jon Howson played in 2002 against Bethany or how many Time Outs Grove City called in 04' against Westminster?
Me and the rest of your FANCLUB feel neglected with all the time you spend looking up meaningless stats.

Just kidding. It a tough job, but someone has to do it.

As for the W&J vs WC game, the score really surprised me. I didn't expect it to be that close, but the Prez showed their championship form and pulled out the win.

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2007, 07:02:36 AM

Two notes, Mad...

First, in high school, and earlier, Mr. Robert Heller was known as Bean. I first met Heller when his PONY League team qualified and played in the PONY League World Series here.

Second:

1) You're wondering if Swallow can throw downfield
2) You were at the game Saturday.

Where were you standing that the reason W&J CHOSE not to throw downfield didn't occur to you?

20-30 mph winds, gusting stronger. I don't know very many teams/quarterbacks that choose to throw it downfield with, or into, that....

Having said that, were you watching in the third quarter when Swallow and McCafferty hooked up for 37 yards on a great diving, fingertip snag by the WR? Is that not downfield enough for you?

While Saturday's delivery may have been boring, W&J's ball-control passing attack IS what won the game. The Presidents had the ball for 20 minutes of the second half. That meant, while W&J was still trailing by 7, and later by 5, that Mr. Robert "Bean" Heller was on the sideline where his incredible explosiveness and speed couldn't hurt the Presidents at all.

Boring? Perhaps. Successful? Without question. And isn't THAT what matters on Saturday afternoon?

EC Warrior · October 31, 2007, 08:51:27 AM

Quote from: Darkside90 on October 30, 2007, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: EC Warrior on October 29, 2007, 11:03:15 AM
I was checking out the PAC stats this morning and came across this one:

RECEPTIONS/GAME Team Cl G Rec Yds TD Avg/C Rec/G Long
-----------------------------------------------------------
1. Ian Tobin...... GRO SR 8 60 315 0 5.2 7.50 25

I don't think I've ever seen a statline like this one. 60 catches is by far leading the PAC, but for just 315 yards and 5.2 YPC! I know this isn't very important to anything, just thought that was a very odd stat.

Wow EC!!! You've got wayyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
Can you also tell me how many Minutes Jon Howson played in 2002 against Bethany or how many Time Outs Grove City called in 04' against Westminster?
Me and the rest of your FANCLUB feel neglected with all the time you spend looking up meaningless stats.

Just kidding. It a tough job, but someone has to do it.

As for the W&J vs WC game, the score really surprised me. I didn't expect it to be that close, but the Prez showed their championship form and pulled out the win.

I also came across this stat about some really good D-lineman for Thiel, can't remember his name, but he was one of their greats. But he was 0-4 against W&J.

Fanclub is back.

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2007, 11:42:41 AM

Quote from: Cleveland Cartel on October 29, 2007, 05:27:58 PM
If any of the D3 Guru's that have run the power rankings for Waynesburg. Where do they stand today? what is the probablility that the PAC gets two teams in for the first time ever?

Not the first time ever, Cartel.

2005--Thiel won the PAC title, beat Johns Hopkins, then lost to Bridgewater.
2005--Wash & Jeff lost in first round to Bridgewater

Cleveland Cartel · October 31, 2007, 01:54:08 PM

Bob,

Thanks for the correction.

Wesmantooth,

Way to bring up a solid QB that is not mentioned enough in Jeff Dumm. He was the real deal for Waynesburg. Sounds as if Heller is legit too.

I hope WJ and Waynesburg to make the playoffs and represent us PAC former players well. My hat is off to all of these guys for doign what they have in the PAC this year.

I am extremely impressed with the play of Waynesburg. WJ alwyas seems to reload, but the rest of the conference rebuilds. Waynesburg lost most of its offensive production last season and Shepas has them right on track in 2007.
Best of Luck to Both teams hopefully in the Playoffs!

Mad Anthony · October 31, 2007, 03:43:16 PM

Bob. Thanks for filling us in on Mr. Bean's past life. BTW, how'd they make out in that PONY Series ?

I didn't mean to denigrate Bobby Swallow's performance Saturday. Perhaps you read past the compliments that I gave him. With regard to the wind, I do believe that it was at his back for at least two quarters, no ? Admittedly, I've only seen him play once, but I think I'd still take Chris Edwards if I had to pick between the two.

The ball control passing game was very effective, if not too exciting. Ordinarily one would assume that the predominately rushing team would control the ball, but when you've got a back who's ripping off 30 – 50 – 80 yard gains at a time, you're just not eating up enough of the clock per possession. Maybe Shepas should have told Bean to run 5 or 6 yards per carry and then fall down. That way, the final gun might have already gone off before the Prezdents finally went ahead with 7:29 left in the 4th quarter.

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2007, 04:54:40 PM

I believe Mon-Yough went 0-2 in the PLWS that year...

With or without Heller's runs, W&J held the ball in the second half. Trailing 14-7, took opening kickoff and moved right up the field to tie the game. Waynes. U, set up by long Heller run early in possession, re-took lead 21-14.

W&J moved well three straight possessions, but gave the ball up on downs three straight times, all ending on less than stellar Swallow passes, one at the WU 6, On at the WU 21, one at the WU 26.

W&J is fortunate to have won at all...and they should have won 40-ish to 21....

One of those games...

My point about the wind wasn't that he COULDN'T throw it. As I'm sure you know, throwing with or against the wind ISN'T what you WANT to do with a precision passing game. So they didn't.

Bob.Gregg · October 31, 2007, 04:57:06 PM

And one final point about W&J as a team, not just as individuals...

Waynesburg players were named Offensive (Heller) and Defensive (Andreassi) Players of the Week in the Conference.

And W&J won the game. And even had the Presidents won the game 40-ish to 21 as I indicated above, those two players could still have won those awards...

Wes Mantooth · October 31, 2007, 08:27:43 PM

Looks like W&J is the number one team in the New south region poll after the UMHB loss. If they win out a number one seed looks like a very good possibility. From the sounds of it Waynesburg might be on the outside looking in from what i am reading on the playoff post. Waynesburg plays a very tough Geneva team this wk and might be in store for a let down after the gut wrenching defeat to the prez.

Cleveland Cartel · October 31, 2007, 09:32:57 PM

In following up from Wes's post as it does seem that Waynesburg is on the outside looking in....

This week against Geneva if they lose it only hurts them, but if they win it wont hold any weight in the rankings. It's just a blunder in Geneva still in conversion to D3 and the PAC. That really is unfair to those kids at Waynesburg especially the seniors. The only thing they could of done better was beat WJ.

More and More teams and conferences will continue to go through transition and there should be a stipulation for the current d3 teams who have to play them because of conference scheduling. I gurantee Shepas is getting his boys ready to play and to keep their focus, but honestly if this game truly does not count for much on their playoff implications. d3 teams should ahve the ability to not play these converted teams until they are truly reconized as a d3 school, and the points will be meaningful for the entire picture.

Correct me if i am wrong guru's But a 9-1 Waynesburg team could be out of the playoff picture because of a WJ loss and a Geneva Victory that doesnt mean much for their power points.

If Waynesburg wins out that is. I am personally rooting for both teams but primarily Wayensburg as it seems even if they win Saturday the victory wont help them in the playoff picture, but a second loss would drop them out completely.