FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

[EC Warrior]

I was checking out the PAC stats this morning and came across this one:

RECEPTIONS/GAME    Team Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Rec/G Long
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1. Ian Tobin......         GRO  SR  8   60  315  0    5.2     7.50   25

I don't think I've ever seen a statline like this one.  60 catches is by far leading the PAC, but for just 315 yards and 5.2 YPC!  I know this isn't very important to anything, just thought that was a very odd stat.

Wow EC!!!  You've got wayyyyyyy too much time on your hands. 
Can you also tell me how many Minutes Jon Howson played in 2002 against Bethany or how many Time Outs Grove City called in 04' against Westminster?
Me and the rest of your FANCLUB feel neglected with all the time you spend looking up meaningless stats.

Just kidding.  It a tough job, but someone has to do it. 

As for the W&J vs WC game, the score really surprised me.  I didn't expect it to be that close, but the Prez showed their championship form and pulled out the win.

I also came across this stat about some really good D-lineman for Thiel, can't remember his name, but he was one of their greats.  But he was 0-4 against W&J. 

Fanclub is back.

EC, GREAT COMEBACK. 
I think I know who u are talking about, so if u can't remember his name just ask ur Prez coaching staff, former Prez O-lineman, and QBs.  I pretty sure they remember him.

P.S
I kinda feel bad for any Prez that played in 05' because they were the first team to loose to the Tomcats in about 20 years.  What year did you say you Graduated in?

Darkside90
Lifetime President of the EC WARRIOR FANCLUB
NOT!!!

I guess that says a lot about your program that you can brag about beating a team once in 20 years.  It's alright darkside, W&J is on to bigger things now. 

It seems as though some people think Bob Swallow hasn't been playing up to snuff recently.  I wasn't at the Waynesburg game, but heard the broadcast, and it did sound like he miss fired more than usual.  The big question is, does W&J have enough weapons to go deep in the playoffs if Bob doesn't get out of his "slump?" 

[Cleveland Cartel]

EC,

WJ's road to the playoffs no matter if it is short lived or not always seems to go through Texas.  Can a slumping or an on fire Bobby Swallow get The Prez through Texas?

[Bob.Gregg]

If the Presidents win solidly on Saturday, there's a big question as to whether they'll have to go through Texas, or if Texas will have to go through Washington.

When tomorrow's rankings (the final public ones) come out, we'll "know" a little more about that.

[EC Warrior]

If the Presidents win solidly on Saturday, there's a big question as to whether they'll have to go through Texas, or if Texas will have to go through Washington.

When tomorrow's rankings (the final public ones) come out, we'll "know" a little more about that.

I think UMHB proved in 04 that the road trip didn't matter.  Although they may have been an exception, because that was one of the best football teams I've ever seen.

[Cleveland Cartel]

Bob and EC,

No matter what.  They may have to get through a Texas Team to get to the STAGG Bowl.  As we have seen WJ roll through a regular season of PAC Play and get to the Playoffs.  Their achilles heal has primarily been a team from Texas.  At Home or away as EC stated it did not matter.

Atleast the Prez and their Alumn can say I've been there.  It holds credibility and I would rather have the experience of being there as opposed to at home in late november and Early December.

[Wes Mantooth]

UMHB in 2004 was ridiculus they were huge and fast even faster than W&J. probably the best running team in d3 history as they had 3 kids over 1000 rushing. W&J gets beat by Texas teams because first of all Texas has the best high school football in the country and they can pull talent from that huge pool. Also from what i witnessed they were bigger and faster than W&J. In the 1990's W&J could compete with that as they were just as big and strong as the Texas teams and thats why Burghboy and his boys were in the Stagg Bowl a few times. W&J now in comparison is a very good team with good speed but very small up front. Last years W&J team almost came out of texas with a win but ended up with a close loss to UMHB. The only thing that concerns me about the Prez is that Waynesburg game where they gave up 289 to one back. UMHB has two backs on the same level as Heller and that poses some concerns. W&J will have other games to worry about as i think that the South region is the most competitive region filled with lots of speed.

[Cleveland Cartel]

How about the Job former Thiel Offensive Coordinater John Marzka has done at Albright. 

This year they are 7-2 and 5-1 in the MAC.  The MAC includes teams such as Delaware Valley, Widener, and Wilkes all who have made the playoffs in the last four years.  Their only losses are to Salisbury ranked # 11 whose only defeat is to Wesley ranked #7 this year.  Their last lost just came last week at the hands of Widener who is receiving points (D3 football Poll) and needs to win out to be the conference champion.

Albright the year before was a 2-8 team and 5-5 in 2005.  Marzka took a team that wasn't predicted to be among the leagues best and had them Reaching Their Full Potential in 2007.

Best of Luck to Coach Marzka.

[Darkside90]

I was checking out the PAC stats this morning and came across this one:

RECEPTIONS/GAME    Team Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Avg/C Rec/G Long
-----------------------------------------------------------
1. Ian Tobin......         GRO  SR  8   60  315  0    5.2     7.50   25

I don't think I've ever seen a statline like this one.  60 catches is by far leading the PAC, but for just 315 yards and 5.2 YPC!  I know this isn't very important to anything, just thought that was a very odd stat.

Wow EC!!!  You've got wayyyyyyy too much time on your hands. 
Can you also tell me how many Minutes Jon Howson played in 2002 against Bethany or how many Time Outs Grove City called in 04' against Westminster?
Me and the rest of your FANCLUB feel neglected with all the time you spend looking up meaningless stats.

Just kidding.  It a tough job, but someone has to do it. 

As for the W&J vs WC game, the score really surprised me.  I didn't expect it to be that close, but the Prez showed their championship form and pulled out the win.

I also came across this stat about some really good D-lineman for Thiel, can't remember his name, but he was one of their greats.  But he was 0-4 against W&J. 

Fanclub is back.

EC, GREAT COMEBACK. 
I think I know who u are talking about, so if u can't remember his name just ask ur Prez coaching staff, former Prez O-lineman, and QBs.  I pretty sure they remember him.

P.S
I kinda feel bad for any Prez that played in 05' because they were the first team to loose to the Tomcats in about 20 years.  What year did you say you Graduated in?

Darkside90
Lifetime President of the EC WARRIOR FANCLUB
NOT!!!

I guess that says a lot about your program that you can brag about beating a team once in 20 years.  It's alright darkside, W&J is on to bigger things now. 

It seems as though some people think Bob Swallow hasn't been playing up to snuff recently.  I wasn't at the Waynesburg game, but heard the broadcast, and it did sound like he miss fired more than usual.  The big question is, does W&J have enough weapons to go deep in the playoffs if Bob doesn't get out of his "slump?" 

Don't CRY EC !!!  It's JUST football

As for your President's, Bobby Swallow isn't the biggest factor in how far W&J will go in the playoffs, the DEFENSE is.  Other W&J QB's have shown that scoring a bunch of points will only get you so far.  B.S has already shown he can perform in the playoffs, and he will do what his predecessors did and put up the POINTS.  The question isn't whether the Prez have enough weapons on O, it's whether the D can do their part. 
We'll see!!

[EC Warrior]

And based on Hellers stats, the D needs to play a lot better.  You better believe if a Texas team comes to WashPa and has an RB run for 289, they will put up more than the 21 points Waynesburg did.

[SaintsFAN]

man, this board has kind of died down a bit. 


Look for Thomas More to play well on Saturday against playoff-hopeful Mount St. Joe.  The Lions are 8-1 coming into this game and with a win will be considered for a Pool C berth.   This will be a VERY hostile environment given that Coach Hilvert had led MSJ's defense previous to coming to TMC.  His players loved playing for him.

I like the fact that we play in a rugged conference (at least more so than the HCAC) and playing against teams like Geneva, Thiel, Waynesburg and W&J....not to mention Grove City and Bethany will have us ready for the challenge at MSJ on Saturday. 

Who are the teams to watch for next year?  Besides W&J, who should be damn good again. 

Bob,  I want to see a TX team come up here and have W&J beat them.  Go PAC.

[SaintsFAN]

Cartel,

Is it possible that Marzaka was responsible for more of Thiel's winning than anyone had realized? 

I believe its a fair question. .

[EC Warrior]

For Thiel's sake, they better hope it's just a down year. 

South Willy, since Bethany's offense is obviously much better than past years, do you think this is the year they break the no TD streak against W&J?  I look for them to get a few more yards and points than people think they will.

[Cleveland Cartel]

EC,

Great Point on WJ reaching the playoffs at home vs a Texas team.  If they have a RB run for 289 plus they will put up more than 21.  Maybe that is a true testament to the Bend but dont break Defense.  I wasn't at the game so i can not accuratly describe the reasons that Waynesburg only put up 21 on WJ.  Obviously The D coordinator for WJ knows his talent and what they can and can't do.  He may have felt as if shutting down Heller was not an option and they better hope to contain him esepcially in the redzone and not give up 7 points all the time. 

[Cleveland Cartel]

Saints fan,

I would say that is an accurate statement.  Marzka was an O-Lineman in his playing days but he is a football guru and junkie.  They man spent his time learning systems and had a talented mentor in Ken O Keefe who is now the Offensive Coordinator and Quarterbacks coach at Iowa.  O'keefe made QB Brad Banks an all american in 2002 at Iowa. and also had the talented Drew Tate who set numerous passing records at Iowa.

Marzka is very saavy knows how to keep a defense off balance, when to utilize trickery, and was able to assist the Quarterbacks in their form and reconizing the formations.  He is hard nosed and will not accept anything less than perfection from his ball players.  He will instill the same values that Leip and O keefe have rooted into Marzka at Albright.  Albright hired the right man for the job.
It may take just one year for Thiel's new signal caller to get the weapons and to get into the flow of the game for Thiel's beloved Victory Bell to be ringing multiple times on Saturday Afternoons.

[SaintsFAN]

When a team is as one-dimensional as Waynesburg is, designing a defensive gameplan is centered around stopping the RB or at least containing him. 

W&J did what they had to do, and I would venture to say they won't see another team with one player that serves as their entire offense.  I think had W&J jumped on Waynesburg early like they did Thomas More, you would have seen less of Heller.
In the game I saw, their defense played well against Thomas More who has Collier at RB and a decent pass game.   Each game played is about the ebs and flows of that particular game.  Its why you see the upsets that catch the headlines...

Sounds like Geneva really focused on stopping Heller and dared the Waynesburg QB to beat them.  Waynesburg coaching is guilty of going through the season and not developing a successful play-action pass game to keep defenses more honest than they have to be.