FB: Presidents' Athletic Conference

South Willy · November 07, 2008, 02:45:56 PM

SaintsFAN...

I also hope the PAC gets two teams in the playoffs but an upset by the Bison at W & J would really put a bright spot on a very dreary season. BC is pretty banged up so they have there work cut out for them. Funny, in three seasons at BC, I don't think my son has ever played against W & J.

Matt's knee repair is scheduled for Nov 17th in Pittsburgh. He was checked today at the Steeler facility and I guess his meniscus is badly damaged. If repairable, no workouts/sports until maybe March.

stingdad · November 07, 2008, 06:33:40 PM

South Willy

Are prayers are with your son and family, we pray for a great surgical outcome and a speedy recovery.

The season is winding to a close with Thiel this week then the President's. It would be great to win out, but we too, have plenty of players injured so it is going to take an all out effort by each and every player on the field to make it happen.

Good luck to all this weekend!

Sting

SaintsFAN · November 08, 2008, 07:47:15 PM

wow.. Hats off to Geneva on their win today. I'm surprised, but NOT totally shocked at this outcome. The Saints had a week to recover from an emotional win against W&J and they came out flat. Hopefully, they learn from this in time for MSJ and the playoffs...

I didn't hear the game but from the stats, it looks like the defense couldn't get off the field...giving up 265 yards on the ground. Stellman threw his first two INT's of the year and the Saints only had 110 yards on the ground. Geneva held the ball for 37 minutes today. I was told early on in the week by someone that Geneva was better than their record, and that their defense was the real deal... Sounds like Geneva won their "playoff game" or "Super Bowl" ...whatever you want to call it and Thomas More, with the overnight trip and plenty of press coverage this past week came out and got beat by a team that played well.

TMC will have to wait until 2009 to have another opportunity to earn a win against Geneva.

South Willy · November 10, 2008, 01:12:33 PM

Tough loss SaintsFAN... I would think that loss would hurt W & J getting an at-large bid. Displays competitive conference but not much strengh at top. Glad your spot is a lock.

Ott beating JCU this week would make us look even weaker after TMC opening day performance.

Bob.Gregg · November 10, 2008, 01:22:58 PM

Willy & SaintsFAN,

The Geneva loss by TMC, in theory, doesn't hurt TMC or the Presidents.

However, it doesn't look good.

And an Otterbein win will have more of an impact than just making the PAC looks less competitive nationally. It will lock up a Pool C for Otterbein, leaving the rest to fight for five. John Carroll will have LOTS of support from lots of places this week.

psst, Fan....I'm back up to 27 somehow....

SaintsFAN · November 10, 2008, 02:23:40 PM

I saw that BG... I saw that. +

Its a terrible loss for TMC's momentum. We'll have to build it back up this weekend when Mount St Joe comes to town to drop off the Bridge Bowl trophy.

Bob's right though, Willy... it doesn't hurt W&J as much in theory because Geneva is still provisional. I don't even think its counted as a regional loss.

I think Trinity losing helps... I'll cross my fingers for the Presidents while I'm downing beverages at the Bridge Bowl Alumni Tailgate.

South Willy · November 10, 2008, 03:21:40 PM

Thanks guys...Where can I read about Pool "B" & Pool "C"??

SaintsFAN · November 10, 2008, 04:31:33 PM

There's a thread on the "General Football" Part... right before you choose the South Region, you pick that. They have Pool C and Pool B discussion. Though, there's nothing really to discuss about Pool A, I'm sure its there too. Also, Pool C technically is all the Pool A teams that didn't win their conference (if you want to think of it that way).

Bob.Gregg · November 10, 2008, 04:57:51 PM

I put an "all-in-one" pdf together.

Just so you all know, as of now (Monday afternoon), records listed there on the Pool B & Pool C lists are overall (all games included) records. Some tweaking will take place sometime this week to list ONLY D-III games and In-Region records (NCAA is so narrow-minded in what games actually count....

)

D-III Races in One Place

28 and counting....

rabriggs · November 10, 2008, 10:36:56 PM

Bob - Nice work. But what else would I expect from the PAC's all-time winningest play-by-play man??!!

Bob.Gregg · November 10, 2008, 11:48:33 PM

Quote from: rabriggs on November 10, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
the PAC's all-time winningest play-by-play man??!!

Right place, right time. John Luckhardt arrived on the sideline at the same time I arrived in the broadcast booth. It's worked out pretty well, particularly the part about him doing the coaching and me the broadcasting.

Ralph Turner · November 12, 2008, 10:00:54 AM

This is the schedule for the PresAC proclaimed "Rivalry Week".

Nov. 15      1:00 PM    Thiel          Grove City
     1:00 PM    St. Vincent       Bethany

     1:30 PM    Washington and Jefferson       Waynesburg

     1:30 PM    Mount St. Joseph       Thomas More    (Bridge Bowl)
     1:30 PM    Westminster (Pa.)       Geneva

On the rivalries board, I read about Westminster PA and Geneva. I know about the Bridge Bowl between MSJ and TMC.

How intense are the remaining rivalries? Is each really the most intense rivalry that your school has? Is there another game that most of your fans think is a stronger rivalry? Or, did W&J-Waynesburg trump some other rivalry?

Thanks for info.

Bob.Gregg · November 12, 2008, 10:16:02 AM

Ralph,

W&J/Waynesburg has been THE rivalry since CMU left the PAC.

Other games in individual years, or for a couple year span, have become more intense, but this one is the enduring one.

Waynesburg's season hasn't been what the Yellow Jackets anticipated during summer camp for myriad reasons. But the one salve that remains available is on the shelf this Saturday. A win against W&J would make many of the disappointments vanish.

While W&J wants, and badly needs, an impressive road win Saturday, the intensity of this game from the northern vantage point will be there regardless. That having been said, I don't believe, overall, that W&J sees these rivalry games the same way as the others. The Presidents have been the top dog (or at least one of the top two dogs) every year since 1987. The others are trying to take a spot. W&J is just trying to keep it.

I was having a discussion on a high school board about a certain team being "the measuring stick" for all others in a particular classification. And I used W&J an example.

In the PAC, year in and year out, W&J is the team other teams want to beat. And looking at the top of the PAC standings, sure other teams have won the conference (Grove City, Thiel, Waynesburg, now Thomas More), it was always the win over W&J that gave them the title. And, W&J won every other title over the past 20 years.

OldPhart · November 12, 2008, 10:23:02 AM

The Thiel-Grove City game is for the Mercer County Cup. My view is that if we could only win one game of the season - please let it be against GCC. Beating W&J is definitely a plus - but it would not cleanse the stain of losing to GCC.

Some claim that GCC doesn't stand for Grove City College - but rather God's Country Club. A transfer to Thiel set me straight that it really stands for God's Concentration Camp...

Bob.Gregg · November 12, 2008, 10:31:26 AM

Quote from: OldPhart on November 12, 2008, 10:23:02 AM
Some claim that GCC doesn't stand for Grove City College - but rather God's Country Club. A transfer to Thiel set me straight that it really stands for God's Concentration Camp...

Of course, there are those who would say that it's better to be an inmate at God's Concentration Camp than the warden at the Greenville Institute for Public Policy.