WBB: GSAC

[scottiedoug]

Sure seems like it.  There were four pretty good coaches in a row (Wes Moore, Kelli Casteel, Dean Walsh, Dee Brown) and we got used to it.  I have not seen enough to feel diagnostic but if you cannot hit shots, a lot of other things go wrong.

[GottaHaveHeart]

I didn't think things could get any worse.....but it did......It was painful to watch...
38 turnovers, 38....... leading to 43 points......at one point in the first half, we turned it over 9 out of 12 possessions.....

Time for some changes but I doubt the Asst. Coach has the nerve to sit anyone.

[Big Dog]

Gotta Have Heart, if you know some girls on the team, tell them to step up. All of your negativity shows that you are part of the problem. The upperclassmen have provided so little leadership that any problem the women's team has can not be fixed until they are gone. Don't worry about the coaching, it is far better than the playing. I have never seen a team that has upperclassmen who were so immature as to let their junior/senior year go down the drain because they are unwilling to provide leadership for their teammates. Its not the push from behind, its the pull from within. And unfortunately, this Lady Scots team does not have the heart of their predecessors, regardless of who the coach is.

[GottaHaveHeart]

Big Dog:

I know most of the ladies on the team. I doubt me telling them to step up will carry much weight. But since you mentioned it, I HAVE already said to a few to play hard and hang in there, encouraging words, because I'm sure they don't enjoy losing or playing like they are. Fact is, they got to want it inside. In my opinion, some do, some don't. As far as my negativity, what am I suppose to say, great job on "only" having 38 turnovers, or "only" allowing a team to shoot 40%. Give me a break. Facts are facts. When they play well, I say they do. When they don't, I say that too. Also, if you think the coaching is far better than the playing, what games have you been watching. If the leadership and playing from the upper-classman is so bad, with no heart as you say, why don't the Coach / Coaches step up and sit them down, answer that, since you seem to be pro-Coach. It's not just the players or just the coach. It's a combination.

I would never say they don't have heart. You don't have tears in your eyes after losing if you don't have heart. 

[Big Dog]

Gotta Have Heart,

Hey, I am pro-Maryville College. I make no distinction between the coaches and players in my analysis. Hillary cried last week and went up in the polls, but not here. If crying made you a winner Terrell Owens would still be playing. Your men's team has had many newcomers be successful for a prolonged period of time because the upperclassmen have worked so hard, and the newcomers see Alex Bowers busting it and they get a dose of what it takes. Unfortunately, when upperclassmen are bad,whiners, threaten to quit in mid-year, or just plain ole  complainers, they breed a younger class of discontents and the lower expectations and disappointment that come with losing. Those tears come from the reality that my career is ending, and because I am not a strong enough, self sufficient enough individual with winning qualities that my teammates can emulate, they assimilate to my bad habits, attitude, and join me in tears of distress due to our ability to be less than we, as a team, are capable of. No excuses. Go play tomorrow night. Put a win streak together. But until then, this Lady Scots team, and its players, will go down as the worst team in the last 10 years, and you will find no argument there.

[Big Dog]

Gotta Have Heart,

I went back and revisited your ongoing posts and saw  one where you said your daughter was on the team. One thing, you SHOULD NOT be posting on this board as your opinion is disruptive and only adds to the problems this team is having. Quit your complaining about people transferring and quitting and move on yourself, and take your parental evaluations of your daughter's team back to the 3rd-4th grade league of all-knowing hoops god parents. Maybe you should quit too!One vote for Gotta Have Heart to transfer! Hope the Agnes Scott game finds you at home instead of in the stands undermining a program. Pack your bags.

[scotsfan23]

Hello all, I'm a newby to the d3hoops postings..but an avid reader. I decided to register and voice a few small opinions of my own. I hear and read a lot about the lady scots struggles this year and its fairly evident that its a tough year to say the least. This squad seems to have been in tailspin all year after seeing 11 new faces come on to start off with the recruiting class. If i have my numbers correct they've had 7 players quit on the old coach and had plenty of internal issues. (including upper classmen) They have assistants that have stepped into leadership roles quickly and there's no magic potion for the problems that started a long time ago. Its fundamentals and leadership on the floor from what i can tell. I hope they step it up against agnes scott and lagrange this weekend..i hope these lady scots can turn it around and finish strong!

[GottaHaveHeart]

Big Dog:

Yes, my daughter is a player on this team. I have never tried to hide that fact or hide behide any screen-name. Anything I say on here, I will say to anyone's face without hesitation. Why is that? All that I have said on here are based on facts which I observe after each game and not based on a lack of common basketball knowledge or speculation. Its very obvious to me you have no clue as to what is going on and that the players and coaches both, have been put in positions in which they deserve better. Tell you what, I want to see you tell the upperclassmen parents or anyone parents on this team, the players have no heart, and the team will be better when they are gone to their face, instead of hiding behide a screen name and trashing them here. Typical of a person with your attitude.

I take it you are a fair weather Pro-Maryville fan. I, as you, went back to previous posts from last year, and amazingly, you were no where to be found. Interesting since the same type discussions were being held by many who were or are still associated with Maryville. Most who have also posted this year. You have your own opinions on the team, certain players who you single out, coaches, and posters. Thankfully, because of freedom of speech, I also have that right to opinions, which I choose to express freely, without your permission needed. Hard to fix the problems if you first won't admit there are some, then address them.

You must be use to losing in whatever you do, running away hiding, putting your head in a hole, placing blame on a few, instead of dealing with the issues. Sorry, not in that run and hide group. Evidently, you have no competitive heart, as you have trashed the whole team, basically said give up, and label them as the worse team in the last 10 years. Being a fair weather pro-Maryville fan, I'm anxious to see how quickly you would change when they turn things around, maybe they win the conference and conference tournament, advance to the NCAA tournament, which are goals that can be accomplished, as long as they don't fall into your give up attitude ship. 

As far as the Agnes Scott game, it would be more beneficial to the progarm if you stay home. I'm sure you would not cheer for a team with no heart or the worse team in 10 years. You can sit on your hands at home.

As far me, I will be there cheering the team on. Feel free to say hi to my face at any time. Hoping they will right the ship. Giving encouragement to keep working hard, things can and will change for you, as long as you keep believing, don't blame anyone but yourself and stick together as a team. 

[Big Dog]

Gotta Have Heart,

No one needs to tell anyone, parents or otherwise, this team doesn't have any heart, that will be proven out over time, and possibly again tonight when the Lady Scots play. I am not labeling them as the worst Maryville team in 10 years, THEY ARE! I am not labeling them as a team without leaders, THEY ARE! I am not labeling them as a team so stupid they would read the internet postings of one of their own teammates parents and think it matters, THEY ARE! I am not posting internet "opinions" after open gyms my daughter participates in, YOU ARE! This is college basketball, players come and go, and so do fans. This team does not need you undermining another coach, making your subtle substitution suggestions. As a Scots fan, I hope your daughter stays at the college. But As I said, this is college basketball, you are a fan WHO NEEDS TO GO! Also scotsfan23, thanks for your post. You almost mentioned the cliques this team has that are more important to them than winning. However, as you can see by the "observations" of gottahave heart, even this team has a parent trying to inject division through internet postings. As gottaheavehearts says "this team deserves better." I strongly DISAGREE. They are reaping what they sowed!!!

[scotsfan23]

well as much fun as it is reading these post of you two bickering haha...I've gotta say that the issues and problems this lady scots team seems to be having has two sides to it. The intel that i receive comes from a fairly reliable source and i can tell you they have been unhappy with their coaching situation for the previous two years. (well..since the great BELL left!) I truly believe last season was coat tail winning...dont you?? They seemed to let Reed, Uner, Dalton, Seal, and Saxe run the show and i'm sure that team would've gone further under Bell's tutilage!! That team was LOADED. The first move that was made this year was disrupting the team by putting..what..22..23 girls on this team?? WOW...being a player in my previous life..i can tell you that would frustrate the morale of any squad! So in my humble opinion..you have to not just blame the team for having problems..but also look where the leadership and problems have stemmed from the last few years. These ladies aren't on a winning path yet...but lets hope they find some unity in a very awkward and troubled situation...and find a way to win some games. And as for the coaching...a young assistant and an old loud guy running the bench...good luck! But i do hope the girls respond better to them than the ex coach! haha BEAT AGNES SCOTT!!!

[GottaHaveHeart]

If any Coach is weak enough to be influenced by anything anybody writes on here or any sport discussion board, they should resign immediately. (That should take care of your undermining coach ridiculous statement) I would certainly hope they are much stronger than that and have better leadership skills and more self confidence than to listen to discussion board talk. Thats funny! There would also be a whole lot of different line-ups, not just at Maryville, but all over the world, if coaches listened and took heart to lineup suggestions. Maybe if some of the players did read this, they would do a self check and say hey, maybe they right. I need to work harder.

Leadership issues! You got that right. But don't get it twisted, don't just skip right down to the players, start at the top. Funny how some will immediately blame kids first, thats the easy way out, but I forgot, you are not a adult just yet. Fundamentals issues, whose responsibility is that to make sure those are present and incorporated into their play? You think the players deserve to be in this position, interesting.

I like to win and yea, if things are not working, most rational people would look for solutions. If that mean lineup changes, so be it. I really don't see just continuing to lose for, whatever reasons, without looking for ways to improve. Players who give the best shot at winning should be on the floor. If some are not doing their job, give somebody else a chance. Sometimes that lights a fire.

If me believing in this team and sticking up for them continue to draw your fire, so be it. Continue to attack, I can take it. I believe they do have heart, I believe they want to win and they will turn things around. Time will tell!

 

[GottaHaveHeart]

scotsfan23:

Obviously, I know about the issues you mention. There is much, much more also, which I wish I could go into, but its not my business. Some of your above mentioned issues, the players had no control over. Thats why I keep saying the players or asst. coaches "don't deserve" to be in the postions they have been forced into. Did they have the 3-point shot when he was coaching? Fowler will be okay, in time. He's just young , as you mentioned. He got a good feel for the game. Switching roles will be his biggest battle with the players. You right though. I am having fun with this person. 

[scottiedoug]

Who is Brian Fowler and where did he come from?  Pretty awkward situation but also a real opportunity to step up.  If what anybody posts here makes any difference to the team, that would be both too bad and a sign of some serious  focus problems. 

[scotsfan23]

I dont think the players or coaches should take anything to heart that we post...its just our outside opinions. We're not on the inside..at practice everyday or dealing with these internal situations. i just have to believe after watching this absolute drop off in MC lady scots basketball...that the biggest piece of the problem is gone! ...ahem... As for Fowler...I know the guy and he's been around this team since Bell's last season at MC. He assisted pardue last year and from what I understand the girls have always gotten along great with him. I do know he played at Maryville High school when Nelson was still there and Bell was the asst. there at the time. (hence the door opening to be a volunteer for bell) My intel tells me he's been running practice since pardue's departure and been the middle man between players and pardue for these 2 years. I'm givin' him a chance..he did have them ready to beat Milligan! Agnes scott i heard was a coaching nightmare because there was question as to who was coaching..him or wilson. Thats a mess! and as for oglethorpe...well no coach wins with the team commiting 38 TURNOVERS! I'm reserving judgement for now...afterall...the guy is working with what the old coach had in place. Lets just see how they respond and how they play for him. GOOD LUCK TONIGHT!

[GottaHaveHeart]

Nice win for the ladies tonight. They played well.  Didn't look like the same team. Great job on the turnovers (14). Natalie played like the player she is. Saxe and Alison, great job inside. What I really noticed was not a lot of dribbling tonight on offense or against their press, which definitely cut down on our turnovers, and got us some easy baskets, beating their press by passing. Our spacing was also noticably much better. Fowler did a very nice job getting those two points across and executed in one day.

We got a chance to get a nice little win streak going over the next 3 games.
Way to step up Jrs and Srs.!!