WBB: GSAC

[GottaHaveHeart]

mcscotsguy:

I guess you been use to losing, maybe you enjoy it, or just don't know how to handle it. Just willing to sit back and accept it with your blinders on. Do me a favor, take a deep breath, reverse your last post and put what you said last first. LOL Can't do much worse than that with the bench or the cheerleading squad. Oh yea, before I forget, I have never tried to hide who I am on here, haven't seen you post your name yet!!!? Its easy to hide behind a screen name!!!

Pissed off, yep, cause we losing to teams we don't have to. Anyone who understands basketball would agree. Since you felt the need to call out my daughter, let me set you straight, crystal clear. Believe me, if it was up to me, Alex would be totally shutdown, so I am not upset about her not playing. She has nothing to prove to anyone, especially you, someone who don't know anything about her or her abilities. If i had to trust a evaluation of her talent, I would definitely, without a moment of doubt, take Dee's over yours for sure. Her knee getting well is much more important to me than any basketball game, but she wants to continue, she feels she can give something. There's life after basketball. Now, you personally can take my comments anyway you want, I really don't care. Pay Alex's tuition then say something to me of importance and I might blink. Until then, you are just another hidden poster with little importance to me. Like I stated, parents who had players on the floor were saying why don't he give those on the bench an opportunity, and their ladies were playing.  What were their reasoning? You living in a dream world with blinders on, I'm dealing with reality. Soft, LOL....I don't even have to get into that discussion, the way we "dominate" people.

I'm not calling out any players, unlike you. Fact is, we losing games we shouldn't lose, no argument you present will change that fact. And also, just like you, I have a opinion that I will freely express, just like you, whenever, I please. You always have a excuse when we lose. Adversity, Pardue this, long trip, too much to eat....etc.....At some point either play or quit. Get over it. Fact is, there is nobody, in a head position, anywhere, in any profession that would continue to lose, without at least trying something else. What exactly do you have to lose? I'm sure you have a excuse for that too. The big different I see now is I'm looking at us a team...you looking at individual players.....I'm looking at what missing piece might be on the bench that would fit into and make more a complete puzzle. You say Lee is out of shape, but I've seen she will mix it up down low and maybe will get a few rebounds, in a 2 / 3 / 4 min span. Why not see? Robin is most athletic player on the team, maybe she can penetrate and kick. Harrell got a nice outside shot. I'm sure each one on the bench has something that we could use to improve. Why not see and give them a chance.

If you watch the games, FACT is there are players talking back, FACT is they are TELLING Fowler when they want to go back in the game. Those are facts. It has always amazed me that we can evalutate anyone's performance in the world, even the President, speak up, talk about, not much said, but coaches are off limit. Also, I never have understood why some players turnovers, missed shots, fouls,etc.....looks better in the scorebook than others. LOL Another dream world you in. Also, your talent evaluations are humorous at best, without much wisdom or knowledge I can tell. Why, because some of those players you spoke so highly of....also "struggle" against Wesleyan"...whats your excuse for that?  

[mcscotsguy]

gottahaveheart:

Spoke highly of?? Who did i speak highly of? Its obvious you get all of your intel from your daughter who tells you what she wants you to hear. i havnt made excuses for any loss...all of them sting just the same. The problem here is that you think you're smarter than anyone associated with this program. I dont believe I know better than Pardue or Fowler...or Wilson for that matter who should go in the game and who shouldnt. I've said before and will say again...from experience...the coaches see what the public does not see. I always hated getting questioned because I knew what was on my bench...all the people/parents in the stands did not know. (they only thought they did) Do you honestly believe you know the players he has better than he does?? Are you that arrogant? I hope Fowler does look to put those girls in the game and it gets worse just to shut you up. From past posts...you've doubted or trashed decisions made in losing efforts. But when they were on a 2 game win streak when pardue left you said "i think we might have somethin here". Its easy to question and disagree when things are on the rocks...and even easier to banwagon when things are going well. Good luck to the lady scots with getting this ship uprighted...regardless of the ignorant suggestions of parents with no clue.

ps- go ahead and voice your opinions -- they're fun to read

[GottaHaveHeart]

Again, you feel the need to call my daughter out. What was your name again? My discussions with my daughter "now" are 98% on the health of her knee. Fowler and players on the team, are not even a discussion between us when I can slow her down on her cell to talk. Being away from home, we have much more to talk about. You really reaching now! 

Maybe you just can't comprehend with blinders on. I'm trying my best to determine what the big difference is in "your" opinion of what we doing now is the best we can do versus "my" opinion of lets try something different just to see what happens. Both are just opinions and based on what two different set of eyes see. Only thing I have right now is the "fact" numbers of the results of "your" opinion and "mine" is pure speculation. I never said I knew more than anyone but not to even open your mind and eyes to other alternatives when things are not working as efficiently as you would like, suggest a my way no other way attitude, a tunnel vision, or simply just a close mind attitude, for whatever reasons.   

Fact is..."when we had a little something going" a change had been made that worked. Why are you so sure another one of some type might not produce the same results. I don't know, and neither do you, but I would like to see. Your attitude of wishing bad results for any players trying to help their team win, tells me you a "LOSER" from the start and you care less about the success of this team and more about you being right. Touch of class I must say.

I would only wish the best for the ladies no matter whose playing and if a change would elevate this team to a higher level of play, so be it. To me, its not about being right or wrong. Because the fact is, you never fail if you try, you just need to work harder. Failing is not trying.

P>S> I see your ...."from experience"....statement......and to that I say crystal clear ---- the main different between a head coach and assistant coach is one make suggestions and the other make decisions......LOL.... you comprehend that.....

[Big Dog]

GHH,

Just like Norman Dale told Shooter in Hoosiers, "you are embarassing yourself...and your daughter."

Please stop now for all parties concerned. I speak now as the voice of reason on this board.

[GottaHaveHeart]

GHH,

Just like Norman Dale told Shooter in Hoosiers, "you are embarassing yourself...and your daughter."

Please stop now for all parties concerned. I speak now as the voice of reason on this board.

Big Dog:

Thanks for the advice.

My daughter is fine and so am I. There is no embarassment in standing up for what you believe in. The embarassment would be to crawl in a hole and hide. But it has gone to another level when people start wishing bad things happen to other players just to prove a point, so I will heed your advice.
Its your fault.......LOL...you asked.....I had not posted at all.....LOL

[Big Dog]

Thanks GHH,

My blame I accept. Very disappointed all the ladies have had to suffer through this, but they must bear the responsibility as well. I think we are trying to be a little over protective of them and blame each other, parents,coaches, AD's, when the heart of the matter are those who play. No ill will certainly on my part, I will find you at a game as I too don't need to hide behind a screen name. Our girls need our support and it seems even those of us who support them have imploded. Post all you want if you like, knowing that the lack of respect those who follow this board have for you need not extend to your daughter.

[MCScotsFan]

Wow! And I have bad karma.

I don't think GHH is embarrassing anyone...not herself and not Alex. She's hoping for some wins from this team and we aren't getting them. I support Fowler and his stepping up in an awkward situation but she's right. When it isn't working, bench someone (or 2 or 3) and try someone else. What can it hurt?

Who treats their coach(es) this way? Who talks back? Nobody unless a coach allows it. That was a mistake I saw Pardue making with the girls. I think you have to make them respect you and I do not personally think they respected him. I think it was a mistake on his part because he is just a nice guy. But as a coach you have to let them know you mean business. It is embarassing to sit in the stands and watch things like were said to have happened at Sewanee. Let me tell you, I never saw anyone talking back to Dee Bell. I saw him throw people out of practices and saw him run them until I thought they'd throw up. If you made a mistake in a game, he pulled you--first time. He meant business and the women knew it.

I just do not see how you all are not seeing this from GHH POV. She isn't saying to play Alex (she knows Alex is really not up to her best with that knee) but she is saying to try someone else--if they can't do it, bench them. Of course, none of us know this team better than the coaches but when it is clearly not working, try something else.

I think we all thought it might be better when Pardue left and the women seemed more upbeat and ready to play. It looked like a turnaround of sorts. Yet, it doesn't sound like they wanted to even be out on Sewanee's court the other night playing ( "no rebounding, guarding etc." ) So, the problem is not solved, not by a long shot. Maybe they were glad Coach P. was gone and played better and then decided that with the real head coach out, they could tell Fowler how to play and play them. That won't work. Sounds like "too many chiefs and not enough indians" to me.

Give us a leader at the top, please.  That's the only way this will ever get better. Brian can either step up or else we need to find someone who will.

[Big Dog]

Brian Fowler should be appreciated. As A Lady Scots fan, he gets high marks.
Crazy as it sounds, an NCAA berth can still happen. I believe the Lady Scots still have some Fighting Scots in them, (see Katie Saxe at Sewanee). Short season left, just some good karma and maybe a berth. It's all on the ladies.

[GottaHaveHeart]

MCScotsFan:

She...?  LOL

Big Dog:

I'm just expressing my opinion on what I see. Period. I support the ladies 100% no matter whose on the floor. I played college ball and I really just want them to experience the best rewards as possible. So many kids out therewould give anything to play college ball, at any level, play in a NCAA National Tournament, man, how much better can it get. Somebody said it will be one and done, maybe, but I bet every team out there would take that opportunity. I haven't heard of any 16 seed turning down a invite because they feel it might be one and done. 

Everybody would be totally shocked, I mean, KO'ed, knocked off your feet, if you knew, who "mcscotsguy" is. Then again, maybe not. I know some of you may know him / her better than me. On this matter, I'm following your suggestion and leaving it alone. Everybody has to live and be accountable for their own actions and words.

Good luck ladies Saturday against LaGrange. I still say us and Piedmont in the finals. 

[scottiedoug]

I agree with MCScots Fan that Big Dog has mischaracterized GHH's positions and postings, especially about Alex.  And everybody seems to agree that something different is needed and that that means from coaches and players.

I know way too little about the players and coaches to know what needs to happen, but I do know that no successful college team gets and stays that way without it being really clear that the coach in the final analysis is in charge.  In D1, it's easier because the players are being paid for their time and effort, but even in D3, where the players (and their parents) do the paying, the winning programs have strong coaching leadership.  If the Scots do not have that, I bet they will next year.  RDL is a good example of what it takes, and he will have to make some decisions.

[mcscotsguy]

GHH :
You got me fired up...I didnt personally "attack" your daughter...but you sounded like a parent who was upset that their daughter wasnt playing. I digress...

IF there is anything on the bench to use...then use it. However I still hold to my contention that there is no "magic" player on the bench that is going to change the outcome of a LaGrange/Piedmont/Agnes Scott or even Sewanee game. Its not "blinders"as it's been called..but I do understand the idea. I'm seriously doubting that any of the ladies, Fowler, Wilson, Parents, AD's, etc. are taking the losses like they're no big deal. Anyone who has ever put time and effort into any program, be it basketball/lacross/football/badmitton, knows that losses hurt. Sometimes it looks to me as though this squad needs to just play ANGRY! I'd like to see some absolute Fire under some tails for 40 minutes just once. Alas...I'm not sure that will happen if that mentality hasn't already been instilled in them from the beginning of the year. How much did we really expect Fowler to be able to change?? Not knocking the guy...he's stepped in admirably...but very little experience and a group of apparently (from what GHH says)..a bunch of "know it alls". If what GHH says is true...(being told when to put someone in off the bench)...then send that player to the last seat in the line and play those who will give 110% on the floor. You may get slaughtered but at least you will lose with absolute effort. Step up ladies...its now or never for this season!

[Pat Coleman]

play in a NCAA National Tournament

There's no "NCAA Regional Tournament" so the national is redundant. Makes it sound like you are still in the NAIA.

[GottaHaveHeart]

play in a NCAA National Tournament

There's no "NCAA Regional Tournament" so the national is redundant. Makes it sound like you are still in the NAIA.

Pat, you scaring me with your intel. Actually I am still in NAIA somewhat. My spouse works in the athletic department of the #2 ranked womens team and #3 ranked mens team (they lost last night so they will drop) in NAIA, Lee University Flames.  Thanks for the tourney clarification.

[Big Dog]

All who follow NAIA know how tough this week has been on Union University.
NAIA at one time was a highly respected organization and well represented by some of Tennessee's finest schools (Belmont, Lipscomb,Carson Newman).
One quick non-Scots question. Why do schools like Lee stay in NAIA, is it academic qualifications, because they do give financial assistance for athletics. Or would they run the risk of not being accepted into a D-2 conference like the one Carson Newman is in. Any bites.

[Pat Coleman]

There are still parts of the country where the NAIA tradition and influence are strong, and that's in California, the southeast and the great plains.

Lee has enough sports to qualify for NCAA membership should it wish to pursue it. But many NAIA programs do not, and that's certainly a reason why some don't.