The Undefeated and the Winless

[Gregory Sager]

I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.

Not just this decade, PS. Few people realize it, but Salem State ranks third in all-time D3 tourney appearances, behind Wittenberg and Scranton. Most years you can just write in their name in ink in your D3 tourney bracket before the season even starts. (You can also plan on them being out by the end of the first weekend of play, but that's another matter,) The Vikings have owned the MASCAC, lock, stock, and barrel, winning 23 of the league's 35 regular-season titles in the D3 era, including at least a share of the last 19 in a row.

That's just it.  They haven't made any noise in the dance and they haven't rattled off any ultra-impressive regular seasons either.  I'm just surprised there was a team that had been that successful in the regular season that I really didn't know about after a decade of closely following D-III.

Well, the Vikings did make it to the Final Four in 2000, a development that shocked the heck out of me. I don't think that any MASCAC team had ever even made the Elite Eight before that point. Of course, once Salem State got to its namesake town in Virginia the Vikings promptly threw up on themselves in the semifinals, losing to UW-Eau Claire by 28. Give 'em credit, though, for bouncing back the next day and beating Franklin & Marshall in the third-place game.

I think that that's the only time Salem State has ever made it out of the first weekend of the tournament.

The 2006-07 Salem State team went 24-2 in the regular season, 12-0 in the MASCAC. That seems pretty ultra-impressive to me. Of course, you have to make allowances for the level of competition.

[John Gleich]

I'll take Otterbein.

Has anybody noticed how odd it is to see Salem State on the winless list?

I was shocked that they've been as successful as they have been in the oughts.  They've never really been on my radar, but they've been nothing if not consistet this decade.  Up to this year, that is.

Not just this decade, PS. Few people realize it, but Salem State ranks third in all-time D3 tourney appearances, behind Wittenberg and Scranton. Most years you can just write in their name in ink in your D3 tourney bracket before the season even starts. (You can also plan on them being out by the end of the first weekend of play, but that's another matter,) The Vikings have owned the MASCAC, lock, stock, and barrel, winning 23 of the league's 35 regular-season titles in the D3 era, including at least a share of the last 19 in a row.

That's just it.  They haven't made any noise in the dance and they haven't rattled off any ultra-impressive regular seasons either.  I'm just surprised there was a team that had been that successful in the regular season that I really didn't know about after a decade of closely following D-III.

Well, the Vikings did make it to the Final Four in 2000, a development that shocked the heck out of me. I don't think that any MASCAC team had ever even made the Elite Eight before that point. Of course, once Salem State got to its namesake town in Virginia the Vikings promptly threw up on themselves in the semifinals, losing to UW-Eau Claire by 28. Give 'em credit, though, for bouncing back the next day and beating Franklin & Marshall in the third-place game.

I think that that's the only time Salem State has ever made it out of the first weekend of the tournament.

The 2006-07 Salem State team went 24-2 in the regular season, 12-0 in the MASCAC. That seems pretty ultra-impressive to me. Of course, you have to make allowances for the level of competition.

I'll agree with that one, though your caveat is noted. 

I was pretty high on Point that year (the basketball team, not the beer), as they also went 24-2.  I guess I should rephrase... I don't usually spend too much time focusing on teams that are BEHIND Point unless they're within about 8 hours of me.      That means my view is limited, which, since I've graduated and migrated back south to Illinois is convenient 'cause I don't have the same time to focus on things as I used to.  And as many of the teams ahead of Point (or ranked highly, in general) are within my local window, that limited view has some crossover!

[hopefan]

Perfect through Dec 5

UNDEFEATED (23)

Medaille   AMCC   EAST John Carroll   OAC   GL Cabrini   CSAC   MA Albright   MACC   MA Augustana   CCIW   MW St. Norbert   MWC   MW Washington U.   UAA   MW Colby   NESCAC   NE Middlebury   NESCAC   NE Williams   NESCAC   NE MIT   NEWMAC   NE Mississippi College   ASC   SOUTH Eastern Mennonite   ODAC   SOUTH Randolph-Macon   ODAC   SOUTH Birmingham-Southern   SCAC   SOUTH DePauw   SCAC   SOUTH Cornell   IIAC   WEST Chapman   IND   WEST Augsburg   MIAC   WEST St. Thomas   MIAC   WEST Whittier   SCIAC   WEST UW-Stevens Point   WIAC   WEST UW-Whitewater   WIAC   WEST

(10 dropped off in two days!!  Skidmore, Oneonta, Wittenberg, Alvernia, Wheaton (Ill), East Conn, Elms, Amherst, WPI, Guilford)


UNDEFEATED vs D3  -  they have lost to a non D3 (10)

Wilmington   OAC   GL Mount Ida   GNAC   NE Hampden-Sydney   ODAC   SOUTH Central   IIAC   WEST Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST Linfield   NWC   WEST Pacific   NWC   WEST Whitman   NWC   WEST Occidental   SCIAC   WEST Presentation   UMAC   WEST

3 dropped off, (Hope, E Texas Baptist, Texas Tyler)


WINLESS (21)

New York City Tech   CUNYAC   ATL Cazenovia   NEAC   EAST Bard   SKY   EAST Kalamazoo   MIAA   GL Otterbein   OAC   GL Waynesburg   PrAC   GL Dickinson   CC   MA FDU-Florham   MACF   MA Bluffton   HCAC   MW Eastern Nazarene   CCC   NE Salve Regina   CCC   NE Maine-Presque Isle   IND   NE Salem State   MASCAC   NE Green Mountain   NAC   NE Maine-Farmington   NAC   NE Hardin-Simmons   ASC   SOUTH Howard Payne   ASC   SOUTH Schreiner   ASC   SOUTH Methodist   USAC   SOUTH Caltech   SCIAC   WEST Bethany Lutheran   UMAC   WEST

16 dropped off the list!!!   (Farmingdale State, Morrisville, Geneseo, Alma, Olivet, Denison, Capital, Swarthmore, PSU Berks, Knox, MacMurray, Emmanuel, Mitchell, Linfield, Pacific Lutheran, Crown)

WINLESS VS D3   They have beaten a non D3  (27)

D'Youville   AMCC   EAST Keuka   NEAC   EAST Morrisville State   NEAC   EAST Potsdam State   SUNYAC   EAST Alma   MIAA   GL Olivet   MIAA   GL Mount Aloysius   AMCC   MA Gallaudet   CAC   MA Baptist Bible   CSAC   MA Marywood   CSAC   MA Philadelphia Bible   CSAC   MA Lancaster Bible   IND   MA Penn State Abington   NEAC   MA Grinnell   MWC   MW Maranatha Baptist   NATHC   MW Blackburn   SLIAC   MW Greenville   SLIAC   MW Principia   SLIAC   MW Maine Maritime   NAC   NE Concordia-Austin   ASC   SOUTH Texas Lutheran   ASC   SOUTH Emory and Henry   ODAC   SOUTH Millsaps   SCAC   SOUTH Lewis and Clark   NWC   WEST Linfield   NWC   WEST Pacific   NWC   WEST Pacific Lutheran   NWC   WEST

The list shortened by two, but there were numerous adds that had been winless, but beat a non
D3 team, and several from the list that fell off be beating a D3 team.

[hopefan]

Winless pick em is closed

Sager   -  Otterbein
Hoops Fan   -  Eastern Nazarene
Mr. Ypsi   -    UMPI
Magicman    -    Caltech
Hopefan   -     Bard
Smedindy     -     Green Mountain

All survived a harrowing 2 days...

But Pointspecial loses when the first selection in the draft, Crown, Wins

uh oh  Green Mountain beats St Joe's Vermont  today, 12/6/09 -    Smedindy is out

[magicman]

Green Mountain falls off the winless list as they beat non D3 St. Joseph's (VT) 75-61 to avenge their earlier 87-82 double overtime loss to St. Joe's on Nov. 16th.

Salem State wins their 1st of the season 94-89 over the Babson Beavers.

Winless pick em is closed

Sager   -  Otterbein
Hoops Fan   -  Eastern Nazarene
Mr. Ypsi   -    UMPI
Magicman    -    Caltech
Hopefan   -     Bard
Smedindy     -     Green Mountain

All survived a harrowing 2 days...

But Pointspecial loses when the first selection in the draft, Crown, Wins

uh oh  Green Mountain beats St Joe's Vermont  today, 12/6/09 -    Smedindy is out

[John Gleich]

Winless pick em is closed

Sager   -  Otterbein
Hoops Fan   -  Eastern Nazarene
Mr. Ypsi   -    UMPI
Magicman    -    Caltech
Hopefan   -     Bard
Smedindy     -     Green Mountain

All survived a harrowing 2 days...

But Pointspecial loses when the first selection in the draft, Crown, Wins

uh oh  Green Mountain beats St Joe's Vermont  today, 12/6/09 -    Smedindy is out

Darn... well, I'm happy for 'em.  I guess I'll have to just settle for my undefeated team...

[smedindy]

Ah, it was too good to last, wasn't it.

[hopefan]

When I looked at Sunday's matchups on my master schedule, I had to chuckle  -   it was the big game for winless fans.... our boys from UMPI vs the one team they handle year in and year out - Unity College... a tiny northern Maine school that specializes in Forestry....

it was on my schedule, it was on D3hoops schedue......    But no score....   alas, I went to both school sites... the game is off the schedule!!!!! 

Mr YPSI can breathe a huge sigh of relief, and scour the schedule for UMPI's big games with Paul Smith's   -  I bet we can get the magicman to go to that one and get a live report!!!

[Mr. Ypsi]

A missing UMPI score - who'd a thunk it!

That's the real reason I took 'em - they could win a game and no one would know for months! 8)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I've now lost my second-chance Survivor, even before anyone has suggested a second-chance Survivor competition!  (It was Wittenberg, thumped today at Hiram.)

I prefer to call it "the team I should have picked," and mine (RMC) is still going strong.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

When I looked at Sunday's matchups on my master schedule, I had to chuckle  -   it was the big game for winless fans.... our boys from UMPI vs the one team they handle year in and year out - Unity College... a tiny northern Maine school that specializes in Forestry....

it was on my schedule, it was on D3hoops schedue......    But no score....   alas, I went to both school sites... the game is off the schedule!!!!! 

Mr YPSI can breathe a huge sigh of relief, and scour the schedule for UMPI's big games with Paul Smith's   -  I bet we can get the magicman to go to that one and get a live report!!!

The dogsled with the boxscore has not yet reached the nearest computer down in Bangor.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Paul Smith's rooster shows them with 10 players but I read last week that they only have 6 or 7 guys on the team.  

Is this some sort of fortune-telling farm animal?

[Gregory Sager]

Paul Smith's nickname is the Bobcats, but perhaps this should be one of those instances like Auburn, in which the nickname (Tigers) is a different animal than the mascot (Eagle).

Too bad, as Bobcats is a pretty common nickname and therefore rather pedestrian. I don't know of any college team called the Roosters, which would be a pretty darn cool nickname.

Sometimes the best ideas come from a typo!

[hopefan]

Just in case anyone misunderstood, the UMPI - UNITY game was cancelled.  Because of the heavy interest  in this room, I emailed UMPI  -  Coach responded, Unity had to cancel

[smedindy]

Unity probably had an emergency hacky sack tournament....or Phish was doing a secret concert up there.

Duuuuude....