The Undefeated and the Winless

[OxyBob]

Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton

... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.

That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

There's two D-III members that play men's basketball that are called Wheaton. One of them is in Illinois and one of them is in Massachusetts. In the future please be more specific as to which Wheaton you're referring.

OxyBob

[Gregory Sager]

I see that OxyBob's New Year's resolution is to spread even more happiness and good cheer than he spread in 2009.

unbelievably, the only story I heard was that he wanted to go to a school that had a shot at a National Championship....

Somebody should've told Cochran that he was a year late. He should've transferred to Wheaton when Kent Raymond was still there, if that was really the reason behind his transfer.

Regardless, I hope that it wasn't the reason behind his transfer. I can see the appeal of playing at a higher level, since the CCIW is definitely a more advanced brand of ball than the SLIAC, but the national championship is a will o' the wisp as far as a reason for transferring is concerned. It's a ridiculously difficult goal to attain, and even the best teams almost always need a bit of luck to win one.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton

... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.

That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

There's two D-III members that play men's basketball that are called Wheaton. One of them is in Illinois and one of them is in Massachusetts. In the future please be more specific as to which Wheaton you're referring.

OxyBob

USUALLY (as in this case, though not always, which is why I have also sometimes asked the question) the distinction in Wheatons is crystal clear to anyone following d3 sports.  As you provided no context, the distinction between Westminsters was NOT clear, yet as Greg made clear, the distinction mattered in terms of CIT's chances of a win.  Besides, he only made a clarification, not a challenge to you, Oh Messiah-wannabe.

Other than your 'eyewitness reports' (which I enjoy and value highly), do you EVER post other than to be offensive and attempt to bully people?

[John Gleich]

Believe it or not, non SLIAC readers, I forecasted a conference championship for Greenville  ... but then they lost a starting Guard who transferred to Wheaton

... where he's seen a grand total of fifteen minutes of varsity playing time and received DNPs in seven of Wheaton's eleven games -- and this for a team that has a much-commented-upon lack of depth.

Rivier on Jan. 2 and Westminster on Jan. 3 appear to be CIT's best and likely last chances for a win this season.

That's Westminster (PA), by the way. Had it been Westminster (MO) that the Beavers were scheduled to play, their chances of a victory would be significantly lessened, as Westminster (MO) is the preseason favorite to win the SLIAC.

There's two D-III members that play men's basketball that are called Wheaton. One of them is in Illinois and one of them is in Massachusetts. In the future please be more specific as to which Wheaton you're referring.

OxyBob

USUALLY (as in this case, though not always, which is why I have also sometimes asked the question) the distinction in Wheatons is crystal clear to anyone following d3 sports.  As you provided no context, the distinction between Westminsters was NOT clear, yet as Greg made clear, the distinction mattered in terms of CIT's chances of a win.  Besides, he only made a clarification, not a challenge to you, Oh Messiah-wannabe.

Other than your 'eyewitness reports' (which I enjoy and value highly), do you EVER post other than to be offensive and attempt to bully people?

I think so... "EVER" is a long time.  And "Offensive and bullying" are pretty strong... and asking for clarification on which Wheaton is about as bullying as asking for clarification on Westminster...

[Gregory Sager]

I think so... "EVER" is a long time.  And "Offensive and bullying" are pretty strong

You must not spend much time in the SCIAC room, which has turned into an endless Don Rickles routine on OxyBob's part as he bashes Chapman every which way from Sunday. He's done everything but call oldchap and dahlby "hockey pucks."

and asking for clarification on which Wheaton is about as bullying as asking for clarification on Westminster...

That would be true if: a) it was unclear within the context of the posts which Wheaton was being referenced; and b) there was no prior history (i.e., my post about which Westminster was playing Caltech) that made it clear that OxyBob was simply dispensing some retributive snark.

If you knew nothing about Ben Cochran's transfer, which would mean that you don't regularly read the CCIW and SLIAC rooms (and, let's face it, a lot of people don't), you could still easily pick up from the context of my dialogue with Hopefan that the Wheaton to which we were referring is the one in Illinois, not the one in Massachusetts. Why? Because Hopefan posted this:

unbelievably, the only story I heard was that he wanted to go to a school that had a shot at a National Championship....  Ideally, he could recognize his mistake and come back for his senior year......   Maryville had a kid do that, started as a frosh, went back home to his local school St. norb's for a semester his soph year, then came back to Maryville.  I really do think most kids would rather play at Greenville level than sit with no chance at a Wheaton level....   Though it surprised me when I saw Wheaton as the one smaller starting guard didn't appear to be playing any special role......  I guess there is just that much difference...... Ben was an exciting, though somewhat out of control, player for Greenville.

(emphasis mine)

The Wheaton in Illinois is a universally-recognized national power in D3, fresh off of appearances in the Sweet Sixteen in '09 and the Elite Eight in '08. The Wheaton in Massachusetts has no appreciable D3 tournament history, no D3 tournament appearances over the past decade, and is coming off of a 14-12 season in which it finished third in a middle-tier league. In other words, there's no mistaking which Wheaton is meant when one uses the words, "a school that had a shot at a national championship."

Also, I wasn't asking to which Westminster OxyBob was referring. (I knew which one it was, because I looked it up on the schedule pages before I posted.) I pointed out that it was, as I said, "a distinction with a difference" as far as Caltech's chances for a win were concerned, as the Missouri version of Westminster appears to be a significantly stronger team than its Keystone State counterpart. Since the context of the discussion was Caltech's ongoing futility and the likelihood that the Beavers could win a game this year (the discussion took place in this room, after all), it was a perfectly relevant and non-controversial point to raise.

[OxyBob]

I see that OxyBob's New Year's resolution is to spread even more happiness and good cheer than he spread in 2009.

Touché.

Other than your 'eyewitness reports' (which I enjoy and value highly), do you EVER post other than to be offensive and attempt to bully people?

Douche.

You must not spend much time in the SCIAC room, which has turned into an endless Don Rickles routine on OxyBob's part as he bashes Chapman every which way from Sunday. He's done everything but call oldchap and dahlby "hockey pucks."

http://www.thehockeypuck.com

OxyBob

[Mr. Ypsi]

PS,

If you had any questions about the PM explanation I sent you earlier, I imagine OxyBob has answered them by now!

[hopefan]

no further activity on the undefeated or undefeated vs D3, ....    BUT

Schreiner drops off the Winless List by beating Texas Lutheran, 72-68.   The winless list moves to 11, Tex Lu stays on the winless vs D3 list

Baptist Bible is off the winless vs D3 list, beating winless Cazenovia  87-84

And  Grinnell drops off the winless vs D3 list, beating Lake Forest  82-78

Winless vs D3 now at 13.

[David Collinge]

And  Grinnell drops off the winless vs D3 list, beating Lake Forest  82-78

What, did they call this game at halftime?

[hopefan]

Grinnell got the lead and held the ball....   Wanted off the list.....

[Gregory Sager]

Schreiner drops off the Winless List by beating Texas Lutheran, 72-68. 

I've always thought that Schreiner's starters should come out onto the floor during introductions wearing fezzes and driving miniature cars.

[hopefan]

    Sager -   at first I didn't get it  -  then it hit....        I'm a little slow....

[Hugenerd]

Mississippi College loses tonight.

For what its worth (nothing), MIT did end up with the best start of any of the survivor pool teams (11-0), although they did not "survive" the longest.

[gordonmann]

The undefeated list is down to Randolph-Macon and Medaille.  Colby-Sawyer beat Middlebury (10-1) 86-76 and Concordia-Austin beat Mississippi College 81-72 tonight.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mississippi College loses tonight.

For what its worth (nothing), MIT did end up with the best start of any of the survivor pool teams (11-0), although they did not "survive" the longest.

If it is any comfort, I believe MIT is the only selected team who is still unbeaten against a d3 opponent.