The Undefeated and the Winless

[Ethelred the Unready]

They're Concordia-Chicago now. It's a recent change but that's what they went by in football this year.

Who compiled the undefeated / winless vs. D-3 list? Was there some spreadsheet involved?

SUNYIT is in the right (?) conference to leave the winless list. Lots of win opportunities abounding there.

Yes, I did that in the past... had a spreadsheet that downloaded scores from this site and generated win-loss records... no spreadsheet this year, but I'm missing it badly.. it will likely reappear next year to help here as well as maintain the d3 vs non d3 records....

Don't let hopefan kid us. He had that spreadsheet this year. The start of the season  just happened to coincide with his planned 40th anniversary vacation that Mrs. hopefan had planned for him, and he wasn't about to put his foot down and say we'll delay it until April. Those RPI guys are all alike.

Actually did meet her when I was a Junior at RPI... innocent frosh nursing student at Albany Med...the ol hopefan fell like a ton of bricks...

A nursing student, no wonder you married her. I take it back. Some of you RPI guys are sly like a fox, getting someone to heal you up now that youre getting up there in Ypsi's and my territory. My wife was an elementary schoolteacher, and 40 years later she's still always correcting me.

Well, mine is a school psychologist.  I walk a fine line.......

[lildave678]

Is it beyond the realm of possibility for AM to defeat Yale?

Frank, I might be the biggest Albertus fan out there.... Albertus will have a great experience playing at Yale in a historical setting, it will be fun for them to play and they will do their best to compete. However, Yale has bigger forwards and guards and are deeper. Yale wins by 18 or so.

Much like pjunito, I'm predicting Yale will win...but I think Coach Mitch and the Falcons learned a lot when they played them in 09-10. That team, which featured Ray Askey as a sophomore and Jeff Lora as a freshman were down by 5 at half. Yale imposed their will in the second half and won by 21 but the Falcons hung for a while. Now, I'm completely unfamiliar with the Yale team but I'd say this Falcon team is much more deeper and talented. Plus Lora and Jimmy E both played in that game (Lora actually shut down all star center Greg Mangano) and will be back for this game. Should be fun though! I think Yale wins by 12-14.

[hopefan]

With Ypsi's Martin Luther team being eliminated with a stunning win over St John's, the winless pool is down to 5... and I notice that the next pool team to play is my Principia team on Friday 12/14...  playing at Rockford.. Rockford lost their first four games of the year, but has since won 3 in a row, albeit against teams with losing records...Prin could compete in this game...I'll be keeping my eye on this one.....  Then on Saturday, Madzillgd's Caltech team plays Santa Cruz, which could also be a nail biter, and Zander's Elmira plays Hilbert, who is 7-2 but with many of the wins against weak teams... upset possibilities?   heck, our list could be down to 2 or 3 by the end of the weekend.....

[magicman]

Updated through 12-15:

Total of 14 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-15

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-15

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-15:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Fabulous Five   All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #7 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 vs Mt. St. Joseph at Transylvania 12-18                                                                               
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won vs Guilford 63-49 on 12-8 vs Salisbury 12-17                                               
3.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
4.   hope1                          #6 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Edgewood 63-48 on 12-15 at St. Thomas 12-21                 
5.   Greek  Tragedy             #21 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#2 UW-Whitewater  Lost vs UW-Stevens Point 72-61 on 12-12
#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#8 Rochester
#9 Wheaton (Il.) Lost at Northwestern (Minn.) 67-62 on 12-14 
#11 Ramapo
#14 Adrian
#19WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
Lakeland          New addition presently with a 7-0 record.  Apologies to the Lakeland fans.




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at D'Youville 68-65 on  12-8  vs Ohio Univ. Eastern on 12-17                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost at UC Santa Cruz 68-63 on 12-15 vs Puget Sound 12-16                                       
5.   Mr. Ypsi                       Martin Luther                           Won vs St. John's  76-63 on 12-10 
6.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Merchant Marine on 12-28 at Daytona Beach                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Mass-Dartmouth Won at Johnson and Wales in OT 86-83 in 12-11
Washington College
St. Mary's (Minn.) Won at Bethany Lutheran 59-55 on 12-12    Bethany Lutheran almost knocked off #5 St Thomas on  Monday losing to the Tommies 94-91 in OT. Tonight they couldn't get by winless St. Mary's. Go figure.
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT                    New addition presently with an 0-5 record   
Concordia-Chicago    Won at Maranatha Baptist 75-69 on 12-15

The fans of these last 2 schools probably wish I hadn't discovered that fact.

[njf1003]

1.   FCGrizzlies                   #8 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 at Mt. St. Joseph 12-18                                                                               

While it doesn't really matter the F&M v  Mt. St. Joseph game is at Transy.

[hopefan]

WOW   Principia absolutely no problem staying winless losing to Rockford 91-59... not at all the kind of score I expected.....

[Mr. Ypsi]

WOW   Principia absolutely no problem staying winless losing to Rockford 91-59... not at all the kind of score I expected.....

As Rockford is only a couple of years away from being a winless favorite, you may have a 'winner' in Principia!  On the other hand, you have some 'powerful' opposition!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Concordia-Chicago didn't like being put on the winless list as they win @ Maranatha Baptist 75-69

And because I'm bored and interested in things like this... a conference by conference breakdown of teams with a 0 in their record:
Conferences with none: ASC, CAC, CUNYAC, CSAC, CCC, HCAC, IND, IIAC, Land, LL, LEC, MASCAC, MAC (C&F), MWC, NCAC, NWC, PAC, SCAC, SUNYAC,
AMCC: Franciscan 0-8
CC: F&M 7-0; Washington College 0-7 Jan 12th
CCIW: North Central 9-0
E8: Houghton 0-6; Elmira 0-8 Jan 12th
GNAC: Albertus Magnus 7-0
MIAA: Adrian 7-0
MIAC: St Thomas 8-0; Augsburg 7-0 Jan 5th
NEWMAC: WPI 10-0
NECC: Regis 0-8; Southern Vermont 0-10 Jan 10th
NESCAC: Middlebury 8-0
NJAC: Ramapo 8-0
NAC: New England College 0-10
NEAC: SUNYIT 0-5; Lancaster Bible 0-9 Jan 21st
NAthC: Lakeland 7-0
OAC: Muskingum 0-8
ODAC: Randolph 9-0; Virginia Wesleyan 7-0 Jan 12th
SKY: SUNY-Maritime 0-6
SCIAC: Caltech 0-9
SLIAC: Principia 0-7; Blackburn 0-8 Jan 5th
UAA: Rochester 10-0
UMAC: Northland 0-6
USAC: Piedmont 0-6
WIAC: UW-Stevens Point 9-0

Only the Centennial Conference still has an unbeaten and winless team left

[John Gleich]

Concordia-Chicago didn't like being put on the winless list as they win @ Maranatha Baptist 75-69

And because I'm bored and interested in things like this... a conference by conference breakdown of teams with a 0 in their record:
Conferences with none: ASC, CAC, CUNYAC, CSAC, CCC, HCAC, IND, IIAC, Land, LL, LEC, MASCAC, MAC (C&F), MWC, NCAC, NWC, PAC, SCAC, SUNYAC,
AMCC: Franciscan 0-8
CC: F&M 7-0; Washington College 0-7 Jan 12th
CCIW: North Central 9-0
E8: Houghton 0-6; Elmira 0-8 Jan 12th
GNAC: Albertus Magnus 7-0
MIAA: Adrian 7-0
MIAC: St Thomas 8-0; Augsburg 7-0 Jan 5th
NEWMAC: WPI 10-0
NECC: Regis 0-8; Southern Vermont 0-10 Jan 10th
NESCAC: Middlebury 8-0
NJAC: Ramapo 8-0
NAC: New England College 0-10
NEAC: SUNYIT 0-5; Lancaster Bible 0-9 Jan 21st
NAthC: Lakeland 7-0
OAC: Muskingum 0-8
ODAC: Randolph 9-0; Virginia Wesleyan 7-0 Jan 12th
SKY: SUNY-Maritime 0-6
SCIAC: Caltech 0-9
SLIAC: Principia 0-7; Blackburn 0-8 Jan 5th
UAA: Rochester 10-0
UMAC: Northland 0-6
USAC: Piedmont 0-6
WIAC: UW-Stevens Point 9-0

Only the Centennial Conference still has an unbeaten and winless team left

And it's Christmas colored too!  How season-appropriate!

[magicman]

Updated through 12-16:

Total of 14 Undefeated teams left in D3 through 12-16

Total of 16  Winless teams left in D3 through 12-16

Updated Players list with teams still in contention through 12-16:

UNDEFEATED POOL    Down to the Fabulous Five   All remaining teams are in the Top 25


1.   FCGrizzlies                   #7 Franklin & Marshall                 Won vs Haverford 61-59 on 12-8 vs Mt. St. Joseph at Transylvania 12-18                                                                               
2.   Greg Sager                   #1 Virginia Wesleyan                    Won vs Guilford 63-49 on 12-8 vs Salisbury 12-17                                               
3.   magicman                    #3 Middlebury                                Won vs Skidmore 74-53 on 12-8 vs RPI on 12-30                         
4.   hope1                          #6 UW-Stevens-Point                      Won vs Edgewood 63-48 on 12-15 at St. Thomas 12-21                 
5.   Greek  Tragedy             #21 Albertus Magnus                       Won at Norwich 78-61 on 12-8 at D1 Yale 12-18  Oh Oh!!!

Undefeated teams that were never claimed:

#4 North Central (Ill.)
#5 St. Thomas
#8 Rochester 
#11 Ramapo
#14 Adrian
#19WPI
Augsburg
Randolph
Lakeland         




WINLESS POOL                    Down to the Fabulous Five

                                   
1.   hopefan                      Principia                                  Lost at Loras 80-57 on 12-15  vs Illinois College 1-3-13                               
2.   sac                             Franciscan                               Lost at D'Youville 68-65 on  12-8  vs Ohio Univ. Eastern on 12-17                                   
3.   Hoops Fan                   SUNY-Maritime                         Lost at Yeshiva 72-50 on 12-6 at Lehman 1-3-13                                                         
4.   madzillgd                    Caltech                                    Lost vs Puget Sound 97-70 on 12-16 vs Bard on 12-29   Big game could win this one                                         
5.   zander                         Elmira                                     Lost at Hilbert 71-66 on 12-15 vs Merchant Marine on 12-28 at Daytona Beach                                               


Winless Teams that were never claimed:

Houghton
Lancaster Bible
Regis (Mass.)
Southern Vermont
New England College
Washington College
Muskingum
Blackburn
Northland
Piedmont
SUNYIT                 

[hopefan]

Sac's big winless game is tonight...Mazillgd and Zander both have tough games to lose between Christmas and New Years... Hoops fan and I are sitting pretty til 2013!!!

On the undefeated side, FCGrizzlies, Sager, Hope1, and Greek Tragedy all face tough contests between now and New Years.... only the Magicman can breath easy as his team's matchup with the good guys from RPI should be a 'NC'

[sac]

Sac's big winless game is tonight...Mazillgd and Zander both have tough games to lose between Christmas and New Years... Hoops fan and I are sitting pretty til 2013!!!

Ohio Univ. Eastern has employed a stealthy technique of not reporting any game scores since Thanksgiving and cancelling the one game vs a D3 to give me a comparison....(another loveable loser, Muskingum)

Getting scores from that conglomeration of Ohio schools is one of the great challenges out there.  Some just give up reporting scores like OUE, some feel just a W or L will suffice like Ohio-Mansfield http://crc.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/basketball_schedule.html   Half the teams in the conference wear green and white with 'ohio' on the uniform.


This, http://www.mid.muohio.edu/sports/menbasketball_standings.cfm says OUE is 6-1


I ran across this stat from Franciscan yesterday, they are #13 in D3 in blocked shots per game.

[smedindy]

If the scores aren't reported, did the game exist?

[hopefan]

I know we have never done a men's AND women's combo winless or undefeated... BUT..

I just noticed one of my SLIAC school's is thus far running the perfect table...Blackburn Men are 0-8, Blackburn Women are 0-8... Principia, my men's team still in the winless contest, isn't far behind, but do not qualify, as their women have hit the win column once, agaist St Louis Pharma....   When BC and Prin play a men's and women's doubleheader on Jan 5, the combined records of the 4 teams could be something like 1-32.   Of course, 2 more
wins will come on to the ledger that night... I think....

And speaking of lady's winless, how is favorite daughter of this room, Medgar Evers doing..when we last looked, they were 0-9, but had a two game streak of surpassing the 20 point mark on offense. a big plus to the ladies... they extended that streak to 3 games, losing to Hunter 76-20.. unfortunately the streak ended in their last game, a loss to Brooklyn, 77-10.

[smedindy]

Since I'm more intrigued by the winless amongst us (one of my favorite baseball teams to study is the 1899 Cleveland Spiders, so go figure...) I hopped over to Massey to see what the highest win probability game is for our lads:


Principia - 1/5 vs. Blackburn (50%)
Franciscan - 1/26 vs. D'Youville (47%)
SUNY - Maritime - 1/24 @ Polytechnic (17%)
Cal Tech - 12/29 vs. Bard (49%)
Elmira - 1/22 vs. Houghton (80%)
Houghton - 1/2 vs. D'Youville (55%)
Lancaster Bible - 2/2 vs. Suny - Cobleskill (32%)
Regis (Mass.) - 2/2 vs. Southern Vermont (74%)
Southern Vermont - 1/31 vs. Wheelock (57%)
New England College - 1/5 vs. Maine - Maritime (57%)
Washington College - 2/6 vs. Swarthmore (45%)
Muskingum - 1/2 vs. Franciscan (83%)
Blackburn - 1/29 vs. Principia (72%)
Northland - 1/22 vs. Finlandia (70%)
Piedmont - 1/5 vs. Averett (28%)
SUNYIT - 1/22 vs. Lancaster Bible (82%)