The Undefeated and the Winless

[David Collinge]

If only we had an archive of past posts or something

That's a classic Ypsi move, sac. Chuck will ask some vaguely interesting question requiring research to answer, rather than looking it up himself and then presenting the factoid to us as a finished product, in the hope that he can get some unsuspecting sap (usually me) to do his work for him.

He has done this to me so often that I've come to realize that I'm Charlie Brown, he's Lucy, and his interesting questions requiring research are the football.

That's typical of a statistician.... make OTHERS do all of the work while he sits back and counts 'em...

Actually, that's the case with any prof - have the grad students do all the work.  (You guys DID know you're my grad students - right? )

So, what degree am I getting?

A degree in cinder block stacking......from Eastern Michigan

Let the men's basketball team have a crack at that wall.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Tonight's results
Penn St-Behrend (5-0) @ Fredonia St W 71-48
Richard Stockton (8-0) @ Rutgers-Camden W 12/10 82-66
WashU (8-0) @ Webster W 80-70

Dominican (0-7) vs Aurora L 68-80
Earlham (0-6) @ DePauw L 48-68
Emory & Henry (0-7) vs Montreat College W 85-74
Kean (0-6) vs Rutgers-Newark W 58-55
Penn St-Berks (0-6) vs DeSales L 64-80


Unbeaten (22 teams)
East Texas Baptist (4-0) vs U of the Ozarks 12/11
Western Connecticut (6-0) @ Worchester St 12/11

North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) 12/12
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (20** teams)
Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther 12/11

Penn St-Berks (0-7) vs Penn College 12/12
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Eastern has an interesting schedule their next four games... first is vs 0-5 Bryn Athyn, then at 0-7 Ursinus, then vs Swarthmore, and finally @ 0-7 PSU-Brandywine who is USCAA. A combined 3-24 between the four teams.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Tonight's results
East Texas Baptist (4-0) vs U of the Ozarks W 82-64
Western Connecticut (6-0) @ Worchester St W 95-52

Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther W 64-61


Unbeaten (22 teams)
North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) 12/12

Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (19** teams)
Penn St-Berks (0-7) vs Penn College 12/12

Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Martin Luther (0-7) vs Luther W 64-61  - atta boy Luther!!

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The carnage continues as both teams in action fell off their respective list.
North Central (IL) (6-0) vs Dickinson (@ Juniata) L 73-80

Penn St-Berks (0-7) vs Penn College W 80-65


Unbeaten (21 teams)
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (18** teams)
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3

[magicman]

The Undefeated and Winless  Pool Contest


Unbeaten (21 teams)
Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra 12/13
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT 12/13
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst 12/13
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright 12/13
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust 12/13
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern 12/13
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) 12/13
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine 12/13
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg 12/13
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn 12/13
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona 12/13
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark 12/13
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire 12/13
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan 12/13

Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15  Winner 7express
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2



Winless (18** teams)
Two teams remain alive for the Winless Pool Crown
Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) 12/13
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah 12/13
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz 12/13  Owned by magicman 3 games in the next 6 days. I could win one while Cairn is idle.
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering 12/13
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover 12/13
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph 12/13
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) 12/13
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance 12/13

Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14
Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17
Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3  Co-owned by Greg Sager and Hoopsfan

[7express]

What the hell happened to Amherst??

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Busy day for the lists.

Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra W 89-72
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT W 75-49
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst L 93-98 OT
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright W 74-70
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust W 82-67
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern W 81-63
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) W 77-59
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine W 74-67
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg W 83-77
Mount St Vincent (6-0) @ St Francis Brooklyn L 72-90
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona W 71-43
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark W 48-45
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire W 66-55
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan W 90-72

Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) L 65-85
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah L 74-94
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz L 56-60 OT
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering W 66-65
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover L 46-79
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph L 66-84
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) L 53-65
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance W 74-68



Unbeaten (19 teams)
Hilbert (6-0) @ D'Youville 12/15
Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3



Winless (16** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14

Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania 12/16
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5

[ronk]

Busy day for the lists.

Chapman (5-0) vs La Sierra W 89-72
Cortland St (6-0) @ SUNYIT W 75-49
Dubuque (8-0) @ Elmhurst L 93-98 OT
Franklin and Marshall (8-0) vs Albright W 74-70
East Texas Baptist (5-0) vs Rust W 82-67
Hardin-Simmons (6-0) vs Southwestern W 81-63
Hilbert (5-0) vs Franciscan (OH) W 77-59
Keene St (7-0) vs Southern Maine W 74-67
Marietta (7-0) @ Heidelberg W 83-77
[s]Mount St Vincent (6-0)[/s] @ St Francis Brooklyn L 72-90
Penn St-Behrend (6-0) vs Penn St-Altoona W 71-43
Richard Stockton (9-0) @ Rutgers-Newark W 48-45
St Norbert (6-0) @ UW-Eau Claire W 66-55
WashU (9-0) vs Illinois Wesleyan W 90-72

Alma (0-6) vs Wheaton (IL) L 65-85
Baptist Bible (0-7) @ Messiah L 74-94
Caltech (0-5) vs UC-Santa Cruz L 56-60 OT
Dominican (0-8) vs Milwaukee Engineering W 66-65
Earlham (0-7) vs Hanover L 46-79
Franklin (0-7) @ Mount St Joseph L 66-84
Mary Washington (0-7) @ St Mary's (MD) L 53-65
Transylvania (0-5) vs Defiance W 74-68



Unbeaten (19 teams)
Hilbert (6-0) @ D'Youville 12/15
Western Connecticut (7-0) @ Albertus Magnus 12/15
Hardin-Simmons (7-0) @ Howard Payne 12/16
Marymount (7-0) @ Lynchburg 12/16
Marietta (8-0) @ Baldwin-Wallace 12/17
St Norbert (7-0) @ Illinois College 12/17

Carnegie Mellon (7-0) vs La Roche 12/18
Hampden-Sydney (5-0) vs Kean 12/18
Centre (6-0) vs Huntingdon (@ Oglethorpe) 12/19
East Texas Baptist (6-0) vs Texas-Tyler 12/19
WashU (10-0) @ Coe 12/20
Chapman (6-0) @ La Sierra 12/22
Penn St-Behrend (7-0) @ William Paterson 12/28
Bates (7-0) @ Emory 12/29
Keene St (8-0) vs Plattsburgh St 12/31
Middlebury (7-0) vs Salve Regina 1/2
Cortland St (7-0) vs Medaille 1/3
Franklin & Marshall (9-0) vs Immaculata 1/3
Richard Stockton (10-0) vs Lynchburg (@ Franklin & Marshall) 1/3



Winless (16** teams)
Bethany Lutheran (0-7) vs Wartburg 12/14
Washington & Jefferson (0-7) vs Thiel 12/14

Bryn Athyn* (0-5) @ Eastern 12/15
Caltech (0-6) vs Transylvania 12/16
Franklin (0-8) vs Thomas More 12/17
Illinois Tech* (0-7) vs Rockford 12/17
Mary Washington (0-8) @ Virginia Wesleyan 12/17
Ursinus (0-7) vs Eastern 12/17

Keystone (0-6) vs Sewanee (@ Hampden-Sydney) 12/18
Trinity (TX) (0-7) vs Whitworth 12/18
Alma (0-7) @ UW-Oshkosh 12/19
Earlham (0-8) vs Kenyon 12/20
SUNY-Old Westbury (0-7) @ St John Fisher 12/29
Crown (0-7) @ Concordia-Moorhead 12/31
Cairn (0-7) @ Penn St-Abington 1/3
Baptist Bible (0-8) vs Cabrini 1/5

Does it matter that St. Francis is D1?

[magicman]

No it doesn't matter!    Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

No it doesn't matter!    Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.

I manually looked up who was unbeaten/winless which was easy enough by looking at conference standings. To compile the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists I'd have to do a lot more work. It's easy enough to keep track of the teams once I have the lists, but finding the lists take quite some effort.
Maybe next year if I end up doing it again I'll start from the beginning of the season and won't have to peruse 400 pages in the middle of the season.

[magicman]

The big matchup between my winless team Caltech and winless Translyvania that was going to take place on Tuesday took a hit Saturday when Transy beat Defiance 74-68. The Beavers did their part as they lost to the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs in overtime. The Beavers grabbed the lead with 34 seconds left but couldn't stop the Slugs from getting the tying basket and sending the game into OT. UC Santa Cruz was never headed in the extra session.

Still, Caltech has 2 chances to get off the schneid next week with the game against Transy on Tuesday and Pennslyvania based Mount Aloysius, who travels west for 2 games against La Verne on the 17th and Caltech on Thursday the 18th. Mount Aloysius is a middle of the pack team from one of the weakest conferences in D3. The Beavers may get a W in that game.   

[magicman]

No it doesn't matter!    Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.

I manually looked up who was unbeaten/winless which was easy enough by looking at conference standings. To compile the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists I'd have to do a lot more work. It's easy enough to keep track of the teams once I have the lists, but finding the lists take quite some effort.
Maybe next year if I end up doing it again I'll start from the beginning of the season and won't have to peruse 400 pages in the middle of the season.

I did this board several years ago and maintained those 4 lists so I know the work that goes into it. That's why I haven't taken on the job since then,

[hopefan]

No it doesn't matter!    Although they can still be unbeaten vs D3 if we were maintaining a list like that this year. We used to have an Undefeated...Undefeated vs D3....Winless and Winless vs D3.

I manually looked up who was unbeaten/winless which was easy enough by looking at conference standings. To compile the undefeated/winless vs D3 lists I'd have to do a lot more work. It's easy enough to keep track of the teams once I have the lists, but finding the lists take quite some effort.
Maybe next year if I end up doing it again I'll start from the beginning of the season and won't have to peruse 400 pages in the middle of the season.

I did this board several years ago and maintained those 4 lists so I know the work that goes into it. That's why I haven't taken on the job since then,

First of all.. Griz..Fantastic job...

When I've done it (4 or 5 years in the past) I ran a program that requires a tremendous amount of input (yes, every D3 team schedule out there, as well as basic info on every Non D3 team that D3 teams play), then downloaded scores every day of the season to that database... it allowed me to then provide all the data that several pages used... the four categories of winless and undefeated, the D3 vs non d3 data, records by conference against non conference D3 etc...

Unfortunately this year, a death in the family was imminent, and as my wife and I were main caregivers, the time to input was unavailable, and the prospect of providing timely output was a major concern even if I completed the input.  I really enjoyed doing the work in the past, and look forward to doing it again next year..... and also looking for ideas on other output that might be entertaining to readers... I actually got to help one of the regional voters by providing quick analysis given my easy access to each team's results....