FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Carthage Fan]

Usee,

Thanks.  Looks like the Red Men just have to win the CCIW that's all!    

In NAIA the conference champ had to be ranked in the top 20 in the last coaches poll to get an automatic.  Every year you have a couple conference champs that do not make the "Championship Series."   

[football2007]

Carthage fan:
You keep bring up NAIA is your son the transfer Carthage is getting from St. Ambrose.

[Carthage Fan]

football2007,

Yes.   Sorry for the NAIA references but I am seeing things in DIII that I like much more compared to NAIA.   Facilities at the DIII schools I have been to are much better than compared to those I have seen at NAIA schools.  I like the playoff system better as well.   

Also we played against a team in '05 that had a transfer that played in DI, DII and on a semi-pro team, was declared NCAA academically and playing ineligible, and somehow was still able to enroll and play in the NAIA.  Just seems that they are not as well managed or policed.  I am hoping that that is not the case in NCAA at DIII level at least. 

Is your son fired up for the upcoming season?

[79jaybird]

"Is your Son fired up for the upcoming season?"

Uh, I think that could be said for every player, fan, and person associated with NCAA Athletics. 

[usee]

"Is your Son fired up for the upcoming season?"

Uh, I think that could be said for every player, fan, and person associated with NCAA Athletics. 

and particularly JBird!!

[washdupcard]

Any word on who is the front runner to replace Kniss as NCC's QB?  I have been completely disconnected since the end of last season. 

[washdupcard]

Nevermind.  I just did the dilligent thing and read backwords a few days.

[washdupcard]

RE: The above post

alum 62-----

OB---Is it presumed Kyle Kniss will automatically be the starter? What about the chances of Knapczyk & Fanthorpe?

WR--Seems like you could also put MacIntosh in the "good" category?----42 receptions and 5 tds after, I believe, converting from a QB his freshman season.

Lets get real here... 4 years ago Kam came in and returning for the Cardinals was Adam Duerr.  A kid who came in and played his but off in 02-03 (he started the year as 3rd string and through injuries to two QB's in front was thrust into the starting job, he won a couple and we lost a couple.  He was the clear number two going into fall camp.  Kam came in as a freshman and had the job. Granted he was exceptional as a freshman, but Duerr only played when Kam was hurt.

I'm just putting the honesty out there that NCC has had returning QB's when a Kniss came to town before and there wasn't a question from the start of fall camp who the starter would be.

I'm not going to say that the other two guys don't have a chance...everyone technically has a chance, but unlike Wheaton, NCC's D-1 transfer doesn't have a returning starter to contend with.  I'd say that unless he can't grasp the playbook he is going to be number one on the depth chart.

Of course this is one guys opinion. I could be way off...I'm not a coach and I don't have any real connection with the school right now, just a fan with a theory

Also...my fault on Macintosh...he did have very good numbers....my memory slipped on that one...based on that I'd bump them to B-/B.  They'll need to gel over this summer with the QB's and we'll see who can step up in thier spread offense come next fall.

I'm pretty sure a true unproven freshman wasn't the presumptive starter going into camp.

[football2007]

My son is very excited and ready to go, but a little nervous being a freshman.  He looked at St. Ambrose and fell in love with the dorms there, if he could of gotten in the new dorm he might of chosen that school.  but then the coach left right after he chose carthage anyways. I'm not sure i saw too much of a difference between D3 and NAIA when we were looking, except the NAIA coaches thought their football was a step above D3.

[Pat Coleman]

I'm not sure i saw too much of a difference between D3 and NAIA when we were looking, except the NAIA coaches thought their football was a step above D3.

That seems like a common sentiment.

[Carthage Fan]

St A dorms are nice unless you are in the Frosh dorm! 

Not wanting to bash St A or NAIA, but I think Carthage facilities are much better.  I have been to Loras, Elmhurst and Augustana and those facilities are better than what I saw in the NAIA.  I think your son is definitely in the right place at Carthage. 

As far as level of play I have only seen a couple DIII games and those were ones we beat Loras by 1 point and the Carthage/Augie game in '04 and I don't think you want me to go there!  Not sure I saw much difference in level of play.  Coaches may have to talk it up a bit. 

DIII man now!   

[NCC_alum62]

RE: The above post

alum 62-----

OB---Is it presumed Kyle Kniss will automatically be the starter? What about the chances of Knapczyk & Fanthorpe?

WR--Seems like you could also put MacIntosh in the "good" category?----42 receptions and 5 tds after, I believe, converting from a QB his freshman season.

Lets get real here... 4 years ago Kam came in and returning for the Cardinals was Adam Duerr.  A kid who came in and played his but off in 02-03 (he started the year as 3rd string and through injuries to two QB's in front was thrust into the starting job, he won a couple and we lost a couple.  He was the clear number two going into fall camp.  Kam came in as a freshman and had the job. Granted he was exceptional as a freshman, but Duerr only played when Kam was hurt.

I'm just putting the honesty out there that NCC has had returning QB's when a Kniss came to town before and there wasn't a question from the start of fall camp who the starter would be.

I'm not going to say that the other two guys don't have a chance...everyone technically has a chance, but unlike Wheaton, NCC's D-1 transfer doesn't have a returning starter to contend with.  I'd say that unless he can't grasp the playbook he is going to be number one on the depth chart.

Of course this is one guys opinion. I could be way off...I'm not a coach and I don't have any real connection with the school right now, just a fan with a theory

Also...my fault on Macintosh...he did have very good numbers....my memory slipped on that one...based on that I'd bump them to B-/B.  They'll need to gel over this summer with the QB's and we'll see who can step up in thier spread offense come next fall.

I'm pretty sure a true unproven freshman wasn't the presumptive starter going into camp.

I wouldn't have typed it had I not been in camp that year.  It certainly was the feeling.  Now Kam did come in over the summer I believe to do 7 on 7 which let the coaches know he could play and when camp started he was the number one guy and held the job until he graduated.

[redman04]

I was looking for Coach Conwell's obituary and could not find it.  Does anybody know which day and/or which paper I could find his obit?

From Carthage's Website

Bob Conwell, 1959-2007

Former Carthage College assistant football and head men's golf coach Bob Conwell, 47, died on June 20 of complications stemming from cancer.  Conwell was an assistant football coach under Tim Rucks for eight seasons from 1995 to 2002, working with defensive backs.  He served as the Red Men's head men's golf coach for six seasons from 1997 to 2002. 

A native of McMurray, Pa., Conwell graduated from Lock Haven State University in 1982.  He was a graduate assistant football coach at Southern Illinois University in 1995, an assistant coach for football and track and field at Muskingum College from 1990 to 1992 and an assistant in football, track and field and men's golf at the College of Wooster from 1993 to 1995.  After leaving Carthage in June 2003, Conwell served as an assistant coach (2003) and later head football coach (2004 to 2005) at Concordia University (Ill.).  He was an assistant football coach at Benedictine University (Ill.) for the 2006 season.

Services were conducted at St. Elizabeth Catholic Church in Kenosha, Wis., on June 25.  Memorial remembrances may be sent to the University of Illinois Medical Center-Chicago Campus Oncology Center, 840 S. Wood St, Chicago, Ill., 60612 or to Spina Bifida Association of Western Pennsylvania, 134 Shenot Road, Wexford, Pa., 15090.

[Comet 14]

My son visited St. Ambrose along with carthage and NCC before choosing Elmhurst and I also got the impression that St. Ambrose coaches thought they were above the other schools we were looking at.

[Carthage Fan]

My son visited St. Ambrose along with carthage and NCC before choosing Elmhurst and I also got the impression that St. Ambrose coaches thought they were above the other schools we were looking at.

I think that is the psyche of a lot of NAIA schools, they like to be compared to DII because they have athletic $$.    A couple schools are at that level, maybe Carroll, MT; Sioux Falls or a St Francis, IN.  I would say a majority are within most  DIII schools' wheelhouse.  St A only beat Loras by 1 (field goal as time expired) in '05 and 2 in '06.

Enough NAIA talk................
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?