FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[DIIIinVA]

I agree with the above.  As a lover of the written word and the well-turned phrase, I have to stop and appreciate Gregory Sager's thoroughness and diction.  That's a trouncing, there.  Further resistance is futile.

[Titanwatcher]

Let me explain it for you, never said you interering,  re-read the post it says "seems". Unfortunately you took this as some kind of personal attack.

No, I didn't. I haven't taken anything personally in this conversation. I can assure you that my attitude is completely dispassionate regarding your insinuations about my reply to TAA.

Refer to above. Apparently obscurity comes from the inability to fully read and understand.

No, obscurity comes from the inability to get one's point across with clarity. It's a "sender" word, not a "receiver" word.

I can assure you that as someone who has made his living as a professional writer and editor I can fully read and understand the written word quite well, thank you. Writing is a two-step means of communication; it requires a writer to convey information properly in order for the reader to have any chance at all to interpret the information properly. The primary burden to make yourself understood, therefore, is upon you as the writer. That is why I asked you to reiterate whatever it was that your second point was supposed to be.

Here's a helpful hint regarding getting your meaning across to a reader: When someone asks you to reiterate a point, simply go ahead and honor the request rather than insult him.

as for the terse nature in your last post, I can only speculate where that comes from.

Why would you wish to speculate about that? My brevity carried with it no ulterior meaning. Contrary to popular belief on d3sports.com, I can actually write a short post when the situation calls for one.

This is a forum right? You stated your opinion on how to handle TAA post. I stated a different opinion on TAA and why 2007 could not get an answer to his question. As i have previously stated you appear to be long time contributor to these boards. I would have expected a different  approach and attitude from and "elder statesman"of this and many other boards contained here.

This is a digression on my part from what is essentially your recap of this conversation, but I must add at this point that my position vis-a-vis ignoring trolls, as Pat and others proceeded to demonstrate, is not only a standard approach and attitude on these message boards and on the Internet in general (both among "elder statesmen" and not-so-elder statesmen) but is a commonplace within society as well.

apparently you missed my attempt to diffuse the situation in the above post. sorry, I gues the smiley faces were too subtle again.

Again, you failed to adequately convey your meaning. I had no idea from your 8/20 12:18 am reply -- "If you read my original post, it said to squelch a response to augies reply [sic] sounded like censorship, I guess I was too subtle also  " -- that you were attempting to defuse the situation. To me it appeared that you were lobbing a pair of veiled insults my way, one in implying that I hadn't read your original post properly before responding and another in attaching an eye-roll smiley to the words, "I guess I was too subtle also". An eye-roll smiley in that context is not an attempt to defuse the situation, in my estimation. It's an attempt to imply that the reader (me) is so thick that explaining oneself requires excessive patience and forbearance.

Smileys don't always connote innocence or light-heartedness. They're semiotic devices that are used as substitutes for the facial aspect of conversational discourse that gets lost when the written word is left by itself. And eye-rolling is by no means a disarming or even neutral gesture in every given conversation. In certain contexts, an eye-roll smiley can be a quite haughty response to someone (especially following a declaration that one's subtlety -- one's cleverness, in other words -- is beyond the ability of the reader to grasp), just as a real-life eye-roll can be. Believe me, I speak from firsthand experience on the matter of sending condescending eye-roll smileys on d3sports.com message boards. Your subsequent gibe about my "inability to fully read and understand" bears out my interpretation of your eye-roll smiley post.

In other words, while you may have thought that you were defusing the situation, instead you were coming across as being condescending towards me. Again, this is not a matter of subtlety. It's a matter of properly conveying one's intent and meaning in the written word.

[matblake]

Greg, I'm not going to lie, I dated and English major and she has nothing on your skills.  I salute you

Can't you just see it?
NCC_alum:  I've got something special planned for tonight.....
NCC's girlfriend:  Is it dinner and a movie?
NCC_alum:  Nope
NCC's girlfriend:  Theater tickets downtown followed by shopping on Michigan Ave?
NCC-alum: Even better than that
NCC's girlfriend:  I give up
NCC_alum:  A quiet evening at home comparing writing styles and skills!
(designating lighthearted fun) 

[FormerCard]

I know you all missed me. Everyone. Especially FormerCard.

Wheaton 9-1 (L to NCC)
North Central 8-2 (L @ Concordia and Carthage in nail-biters, w/ the Carthage game costing NCC the CCIW title)
Augie 8-2 (L to NCC and Wheaton)
Carthage 6-4
IWU 4-6
Elmhurst 4-6
Millikin 3-7
NP 2-8


Goulet.

You bet I did....

Former Card:  "Goulet, havent seen you downtown naperville lately?  Where have you been?"

Goulet:  "I saw you last week man, don't you remember?"

Former Card:  "really? did we talk?"

Goulet:  "for about an hour, you probably dont remember"

[NCC_alum62]

Greg, I'm not going to lie, I dated and English major and she has nothing on your skills.  I salute you

Can't you just see it?
NCC_alum:  I've got something special planned for tonight.....
NCC's girlfriend:  Is it dinner and a movie?
NCC_alum:  Nope
NCC's girlfriend:  Theater tickets downtown followed by shopping on Michigan Ave?
NCC-alum: Even better than that
NCC's girlfriend:  I give up
NCC_alum:  A quiet evening at home comparing writing styles and skills!
(designating lighthearted fun) 

HAHAHA

Awesome.

But seriously, I think that happened once. Its probably why I broke it off...I mean why do I need to know anything about English...I'm never going to England

[FormerCard]

Let me explain it for you, never said you interering,  re-read the post it says "seems". Unfortunately you took this as some kind of personal attack.

No, I didn't. I haven't taken anything personally in this conversation. I can assure you that my attitude is completely dispassionate regarding your insinuations about my reply to TAA.

Refer to above. Apparently obscurity comes from the inability to fully read and understand.

No, obscurity comes from the inability to get one's point across with clarity. It's a "sender" word, not a "receiver" word.

I can assure you that as someone who has made his living as a professional writer and editor I can fully read and understand the written word quite well, thank you. Writing is a two-step means of communication; it requires a writer to convey information properly in order for the reader to have any chance at all to interpret the information properly. The primary burden to make yourself understood, therefore, is upon you as the writer. That is why I asked you to reiterate whatever it was that your second point was supposed to be.

Here's a helpful hint regarding getting your meaning across to a reader: When someone asks you to reiterate a point, simply go ahead and honor the request rather than insult him.

as for the terse nature in your last post, I can only speculate where that comes from.

Why would you wish to speculate about that? My brevity carried with it no ulterior meaning. Contrary to popular belief on d3sports.com, I can actually write a short post when the situation calls for one.

This is a forum right? You stated your opinion on how to handle TAA post. I stated a different opinion on TAA and why 2007 could not get an answer to his question. As i have previously stated you appear to be long time contributor to these boards. I would have expected a different  approach and attitude from and "elder statesman"of this and many other boards contained here.

This is a digression on my part from what is essentially your recap of this conversation, but I must add at this point that my position vis-a-vis ignoring trolls, as Pat and others proceeded to demonstrate, is not only a standard approach and attitude on these message boards and on the Internet in general (both among "elder statesmen" and not-so-elder statesmen) but is a commonplace within society as well.

apparently you missed my attempt to diffuse the situation in the above post. sorry, I gues the smiley faces were too subtle again.

Again, you failed to adequately convey your meaning. I had no idea from your 8/20 12:18 am reply -- "If you read my original post, it said to squelch a response to augies reply [sic] sounded like censorship, I guess I was too subtle also  " -- that you were attempting to defuse the situation. To me it appeared that you were lobbing a pair of veiled insults my way, one in implying that I hadn't read your original post properly before responding and another in attaching an eye-roll smiley to the words, "I guess I was too subtle also". An eye-roll smiley in that context is not an attempt to defuse the situation, in my estimation. It's an attempt to imply that the reader (me) is so thick that explaining oneself requires excessive patience and forbearance.

Smileys don't always connote innocence or light-heartedness. They're semiotic devices that are used as substitutes for the facial aspect of conversational discourse that gets lost when the written word is left by itself. And eye-rolling is by no means a disarming or even neutral gesture in every given conversation. In certain contexts, an eye-roll smiley can be a quite haughty response to someone (especially following a declaration that one's subtlety -- one's cleverness, in other words -- is beyond the ability of the reader to grasp), just as a real-life eye-roll can be. Believe me, I speak from firsthand experience on the matter of sending condescending eye-roll smileys on d3sports.com message boards. Your subsequent gibe about my "inability to fully read and understand" bears out my interpretation of your eye-roll smiley post.

In other words, while you may have thought that you were defusing the situation, instead you were coming across as being condescending towards me. Again, this is not a matter of subtlety. It's a matter of properly conveying one's intent and meaning in the written word.

This is all kind of gross

[ncc58]

We've gone from discussions on bleeding nipples to dating English majors.

At least the high school football season starts in two days. Friday night should be fun in Naperville with Nap Central playing Waubonsie and Nap North playing Nequa. Saturday, my nephew plays his season opener at Oak Park.

Who knows which CCIW schools have scrimmages scheduled for this weekend?

[Carthage Fan]

Carthage scrimmages Concordia at Carthage August 25 9AM Art Keller Field, if it's not underwater!

[79jaybird]

boy it's weather patterns like these, that make me thankful for the AstroPlay surface and the decision to invest in a new field at EC.    I feel for some of the preps that open up their seasons this weekend.  Some of the HS fields have to be really torn up.
Elmhurst is scrimmaging Lakeland and I will be watching Chris Kudyba closely.  I really hope he can return to the form he showed prior to his injury.  I am also going to watch their O-Line which is one of my concerns for 2007.

[Mugsy]

We've gone from discussions on bleeding nipples to dating English majors.

At least the high school football season starts in two days. Friday night should be fun in Naperville with Nap Central playing Waubonsie and Nap North playing Nequa. Saturday, my nephew plays his season opener at Oak Park.

Who knows which CCIW schools have scrimmages scheduled for this weekend?

Wheaton scrimmages Wabash next weekend... September 1st.

[Mugsy]

According to the frontpage, Wheaton is ranked #5!!!!

In copies of D3Football Kickoff 2007 purchased at 14.  Wow... seems to be alot more Wheaton lurkers than posters.

[Mugsy]

Interesting D3 article on front page of ESPN website about 59 yr old man playing football for Sul Ross State University.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2986313

[matblake]

Wheaton scrimmages Wabash next weekend... September 1st.

Elmhurst is scrimmaging Lakeland and I will be watching Chris Kudyba closely.  I really hope he can return to the form he showed prior to his injury.  I am also going to watch their O-Line which is one of my concerns for 2007.

Carthage scrimmages Concordia at Carthage August 25 9AM Art Keller Field, if it's not underwater!

Milikin and Greenville have a scrimmage game Thursday? any Milikin know anything about that?

Any info from anyone at any CCIW related scrimmage would be much appreciated!  Thanks in advance.

[Mugsy]

Wheaton scrimmages Wabash next weekend... September 1st.

Elmhurst is scrimmaging Lakeland and I will be watching Chris Kudyba closely.  I really hope he can return to the form he showed prior to his injury.  I am also going to watch their O-Line which is one of my concerns for 2007.

Carthage scrimmages Concordia at Carthage August 25 9AM Art Keller Field, if it's not underwater!

Milikin and Greenville have a scrimmage game Thursday? any Milikin know anything about that?

Any info from anyone at any CCIW related scrimmage would be much appreciated!  Thanks in advance.

I'll be going to the Wheaton vs. Wabash scrimmage... and I'll keep good notes.

[Gregory Sager]

NPU is scrimmaging Chicago. Can't remember if it's this Saturday or next Saturday, though.

The NPU men's soccer team is also scrimmaging Chicago (except that in that sport they call it a "friendly", not a scrimmage), but I don't think that the two schools are making it a doubleheader.