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[Tailgater]

hey all I have a question. Someone on the MIAA board someone had a question on playing j.v games and varsity games in the same week. Are there any conference rules or d3 rules as to games a year or quarters a week. Most of our j.v games are really more like schrimmages than actual games

Not sure what the rule is if there is one, but Carthage plays 7 or 8 JV games a year and they are usually full games. Occasionally some of the special team aspects are skipped because an opponent doesn't have a back-up kicker, holder or long snapper. For the most part Carthage works JV games for players who see no playing time or minimal playing time on Saturdays. Most of the JV games are on Sundays and sometimes Mondays. Obviously you're not going to play personnel you use regularly in the Varsity games so the number of quarters played in a week is kind of a mute point.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Actually, I'm pretty sure the NCAA does have rules on this - the topic was discussed on another board (OAC? can't find it now) a few weeks ago.  Apparently many schools do use players who are on the 'cusp' of jv and varsity, and who may see relatively significant varsity time, and are starters on jv.

Unfortunately, I don't recall what the rules were!  (And I may even be mixing it up with the bball boards - have no idea whether or not the same rules would apply, if so.  Sorry to be of no real help, but I'll post this anyway in case it jogs a memory for someone more helpful! )

[formerd3db]

hey all I have a question. Someone on the MIAA board someone had a question on playing j.v games and varsity games in the same week. Are there any conference rules or d3 rules as to games a year or quarters a week. Most of our j.v games are really more like schrimmages than actual games

Not sure what the rule is if there is one, but Carthage plays 7 or 8 JV games a year and they are usually full games. Occasionally some of the special team aspects are skipped because an opponent doesn't have a back-up kicker, holder or long snapper. For the most part Carthage works JV games for players who see no playing time or minimal playing time on Saturdays. Most of the JV games are on Sundays and sometimes Mondays. Obviously you're not going to play personnel you use regularly in the Varsity games so the number of quarters played in a week is kind of a mute point.

Comet:

Several people discussed this in the past, but the NCAA rule for DIII is that for every J.V. contest a player participates in, that takes away a varsity contest they can participate in during the regular season (10 contests as I recall), even if they play in only one play.  As you mention, most of the J.V. programs provide a great opportunity for players who will see little if any action in a varsity game. 

Nonetheless, many times, a J.V. player is provided the opportunity for earning a spot on the varsity such as on special teams or even some available playing time there with outstanding performance in a J.V. contest.  Also, people mentioned the challenge that sometimes (although less common) occurs when injury to varsity regulars or top reserves necessitates a J.V. player being elevated to the varsity for some playing time.  In some cases, that has been a challenging situation if it is towards the end of the season and that J.V. player can't play in the last game or so because he will have reached the limit for the regular season.  While that has happend in years past, as I mentioned, it is much less common now that squads are having record turnouts of players, well over 100 for many teams (keeping in mind the conferences that have roster limits).  Hope that helps.  I'm sure Pat and many other posters can contribute more to this discussion than I.

[burly]

hey all I have a question. Someone on the MIAA board someone had a question on playing j.v games and varsity games in the same week. Are there any conference rules or d3 rules as to games a year or quarters a week. Most of our j.v games are really more like schrimmages than actual games

Not sure what the rule is if there is one, but Carthage plays 7 or 8 JV games a year and they are usually full games. Occasionally some of the special team aspects are skipped because an opponent doesn't have a back-up kicker, holder or long snapper. For the most part Carthage works JV games for players who see no playing time or minimal playing time on Saturdays. Most of the JV games are on Sundays and sometimes Mondays. Obviously you're not going to play personnel you use regularly in the Varsity games so the number of quarters played in a week is kind of a mute point.

These JV games are undervalued.  That's great Carthage plays 7 or 8.  I think other teams in the CCIW play around 5.  I looked at Mt. Union's website and discovered they play 10.  Granted a JV starter may only play special teams on saturday, he still a part of 25 collegiate D3 games (with playoffs) during each of his 1st, 2nd or 3rd years before he starts on varsity.  Throw in a redshirt year and that's even more experience.  Those reps are extraordinarily valuable.

2007 JV Schedule

Sunday, 9-16, at Wooster, 47-9 win

Monday, 9-17, at Ashland, 28-6 win

Sunday, 9-23, vs. Washington & Jefferson, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 9-30, vs. Baldwin-Wallace, 2 p.m.

Monday, 10-8, vs. Waynesburg, 7 p.m.

Sunday, 10-14, at Marietta, 2 p.m.

Monday, 10-15, vs. Lake Erie, 7 p.m.

Sunday, 10-21, at Washington & Jefferson, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 10-28, at Harmony Prep, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 11-4, vs. North Carolina Tech, 2 p.m.

[usee]

Actually, I'm pretty sure the NCAA does have rules on this - the topic was discussed on another board (OAC? can't find it now) a few weeks ago.  Apparently many schools do use players who are on the 'cusp' of jv and varsity, and who may see relatively significant varsity time, and are starters on jv.

Unfortunately, I don't recall what the rules were!  (And I may even be mixing it up with the bball boards - have no idea whether or not the same rules would apply, if so.  Sorry to be of no real help, but I'll post this anyway in case it jogs a memory for someone more helpful! )

here is what was posted on the MIAA board:

It was my understanding that as long as the player still had the 24 hour no contact period during the week (sunday to sunday) then he could play in both games.  At Adrian one year, we had a player play 3 games in one week, JV on Monday, Varsity Saturday and JV Sunday.  He had the Sunday off as a 24 hour no contact thus fulfilling the requirement the only long term problem that you can run into is that players are only allowed 10 games and a scrimmage, so if they play to many JV games you lose them for varsity or vis versa.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Thanks, usee!

Good to know I'm not crazy on my memories (though I guess 3 days ago isn't quite 'several weeks'!)

[Pat Coleman]

hey all I have a question. Someone on the MIAA board someone had a question on playing j.v games and varsity games in the same week. Are there any conference rules or d3 rules as to games a year or quarters a week. Most of our j.v games are really more like schrimmages than actual games

Not sure what the rule is if there is one, but Carthage plays 7 or 8 JV games a year and they are usually full games. Occasionally some of the special team aspects are skipped because an opponent doesn't have a back-up kicker, holder or long snapper. For the most part Carthage works JV games for players who see no playing time or minimal playing time on Saturdays. Most of the JV games are on Sundays and sometimes Mondays. Obviously you're not going to play personnel you use regularly in the Varsity games so the number of quarters played in a week is kind of a mute point.

These JV games are undervalued.  That's great Carthage plays 7 or 8.  I think other teams in the CCIW play around 5.  I looked at Mt. Union's website and discovered they play 10.  Granted a JV starter may only play special teams on saturday, he still a part of 25 collegiate D3 games (with playoffs) during each of his 1st, 2nd or 3rd years before he starts on varsity.  Throw in a redshirt year and that's even more experience.  Those reps are extraordinarily valuable.

2007 JV Schedule

Sunday, 9-16, at Wooster, 47-9 win

Monday, 9-17, at Ashland, 28-6 win

Sunday, 9-23, vs. Washington & Jefferson, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 9-30, vs. Baldwin-Wallace, 2 p.m.

Monday, 10-8, vs. Waynesburg, 7 p.m.

Sunday, 10-14, at Marietta, 2 p.m.

Monday, 10-15, vs. Lake Erie, 7 p.m.

Sunday, 10-21, at Washington & Jefferson, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 10-28, at Harmony Prep, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 11-4, vs. North Carolina Tech, 2 p.m.

No, as previously posted, you can only play the 10 regular season games plus scrimmage. You can't play 25.

[burly]

hey all I have a question. Someone on the MIAA board someone had a question on playing j.v games and varsity games in the same week. Are there any conference rules or d3 rules as to games a year or quarters a week. Most of our j.v games are really more like schrimmages than actual games

Not sure what the rule is if there is one, but Carthage plays 7 or 8 JV games a year and they are usually full games. Occasionally some of the special team aspects are skipped because an opponent doesn't have a back-up kicker, holder or long snapper. For the most part Carthage works JV games for players who see no playing time or minimal playing time on Saturdays. Most of the JV games are on Sundays and sometimes Mondays. Obviously you're not going to play personnel you use regularly in the Varsity games so the number of quarters played in a week is kind of a mute point.

These JV games are undervalued.  That's great Carthage plays 7 or 8.  I think other teams in the CCIW play around 5.  I looked at Mt. Union's website and discovered they play 10.  Granted a JV starter may only play special teams on saturday, he still a part of 25 collegiate D3 games (with playoffs) during each of his 1st, 2nd or 3rd years before he starts on varsity.  Throw in a redshirt year and that's even more experience.  Those reps are extraordinarily valuable.

2007 JV Schedule

Sunday, 9-16, at Wooster, 47-9 win

Monday, 9-17, at Ashland, 28-6 win

Sunday, 9-23, vs. Washington & Jefferson, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 9-30, vs. Baldwin-Wallace, 2 p.m.

Monday, 10-8, vs. Waynesburg, 7 p.m.

Sunday, 10-14, at Marietta, 2 p.m.

Monday, 10-15, vs. Lake Erie, 7 p.m.

Sunday, 10-21, at Washington & Jefferson, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 10-28, at Harmony Prep, 2 p.m.

Sunday, 11-4, vs. North Carolina Tech, 2 p.m.

No, as previously posted, you can only play the 10 regular season games plus scrimmage. You can't play 25.

Yeah, saw that after I posted.

[Carthage Fan]

17.11.5.2 Maximum Limitations—Student-Athlete. A student-athlete may participate in each academic
year in a maximum of 10 football games. This limitation includes those contests in which the student-athlete
represents the institution, including competition as a member of the varsity, junior varsity or freshman team of
the institution in accordance with Bylaws 17.02.4 and 17.02.8. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92)

Exceptions are the NCAA Championships.

[New Tradition]

I don't know, but here is some back

Thank you, sir.  You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[formerd3db]

Carthage Fan:

Yes, thanks for posting the specific NCAA DIII Bylaws rule regarding the limit on number of football games a student-athlete may participate in per year (I did not have the manual at my fingertips when I posted so wasn't able to cite the specific section).  Anyway, indeed post season contests do not count towards the "any" 10 regular season contests. 

Since we are on the topic, and realizing that one of the main purposes is to provide some playing time and introduction to the collegiate level of ball, what has been your observation with respect as to how Carthage's J.V. program provides opportunities for the newcomers and underclassmen i.e. regarding a "shot at some varsity playing time"?  Thanks.

[Mugsy]

Wheaton 7 - Hope 7

Midway in the 2nd quarter.  4 sacks for Wheaton (3 by Studebaker).  Hope has held possession of the ball for nearly the entire half.

1 pass for Wheaton - a 11 yard TD from Bradley.  Wheaton has done a nice job running the ball.  What a difference it makes to have Geoff Rowson starting again.  It is clear why he was an All-American last year.  Wheaton has run the ball effectively for the first time all year (so far).

Hope is without their 1st & 2nd string RBs due to injury.  Their starting QB is back from injury though...

[Mugsy]

Wow... Ittersagen and Studebaker are special players. 

Ittersagen's 1st punt return was 34 yards.  He just took another one back 70+ yards - although it was called back on a penalty.  Still... instead of taking a fair catch, he caught the punt with someone all over him, broke the tackle, reverse all the way across the field and took it home.  Wow...

[Mugsy]

Obviously I couldn't make the game tonight and it's killing me.  I can see the lights from outside my house.

Wheaton broadcasters mentioned that Ullrich was on the sidelines.  That is awesome news.

[Mugsy]

Interception by Ittersagen inside Hope territory.

1st and goal for Wheaton... Freshman RB Rocky Gingg and Brett Jackson are running well.