FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[ncc58]

It's already been done -- and it was back in the "old school" era. North Park scored 104 points against North Central back in 1968. Of course, one wonders whether that 41-year-old rout was in the back of the minds of the NCC players and coaches two weeks ago when they obliterated NPU, but I tend to doubt it. That kind of stuff is ancient history and has no connection to any of the current participants in either program. Of course, one of the NCC insiders here may have evidence to the contrary in terms of that 1968 game being a motivator for the Cardinals.

I think that most of us can tell the difference between running up a score against an outmanned opponent and trying to do the sportsmanlike thing. Does the winning team pull its starters early? Are they running a vanilla offense that doesn't feature long downfield passes? Are they taking their time before snaps? I haven't seen any specific complaints in this room that a winning team wasn't doing these things. Heck, NCC did everything but put helmets on their cheerleaders and run them out onto the field against NPU in the second half, and they still massacred the Vikings. The onus for that is not on NCC; it's on NPU.

I commented after the NPU game that there is no one involved in the program at NCC that was around in 1968. In the 70s, the SID would put the story about the 104 point game in the game program when NCC played NPU. But as players, we didn't try to run up the score. As always, the objective was just to win that game. I'm sure that very few people at the game this season even knew that North Park scored 104 points against North Central once. It's completely a non-issue.

In the Benedictine game, NCC played the second and third teams the entire second half. On the first series, the backup QB (Haan) clearly called an audible and threw a pass. Jeff Thorne quickly called him to the sideline and that was the last pass thrown. No attempt to run up the score.

Thorne has said that in the NPU game, NCC ran the same two running plays the entire second half.

[79jaybird]

What is the health of Ladd?

I think a full strength Ladd is going to be a problem for EC if our D-Line doesn't get in his face.  Similar to the Carthage game where int he first half we had penetration and were able to get to Jones and force opportunities. Second half the D-Line was quiet and Cartahge was able to find receivers open downfield.

I don't have a good feeling about this game like I did going into the Carthage game. 

If I am Wheaton, I don't think approach the game thinking that a sans Sulo Cardinals team is any weaker/deficient that if they have a healthy Sulo.  they are still a dangerous team which a lot of skill at the skilled positions.

[New Tradition]

Any word on Gingg's status?

[New Tradition]

JB, I took the liberty of giving you your 100th karma point!  Congrats on making it to triple digits!

[New Tradition]

JB, I took the liberty of giving you your 100th karma point!  Congrats on making it to triple digits!

And them some punk goes and docks ya.  Real nice...

[ncc58]

JB, I took the liberty of giving you your 100th karma point!  Congrats on making it to triple digits!

And them some punk goes and docks ya.  Real nice...

I pushed him back to 100 ... he's been so much tamer since he got married.  

[Mugsy]

Any word on Gingg's status?

And why would I tell you, Mr. "NCC will score 53 on Wheaton"?    

You'll get nothing from me until you can see for yourself at kickoff.  I'm not giving away injury reports unless it is for players already known to be out for the season.

[wheels81]

I am sceptical of their secondary.

Let me be pacific,  I am  susceptible, or septic, or perceptible too.

Augie had a big day in the air the Thunder but that was because they took away their run game.  I think with the naperville school being more reliant on the pass,  esp. now w/o Sulo, that just the opposite may occur.  Naperville college may have their running game do better than their passing game.

[Mugsy]

I am sceptical of their secondary.

Let me be pacific,  I am  susceptible, or septic, or perceptible too.

Augie had a big day in the air the Thunder but that was because they took away their run game.  I think with the naperville school being more reliant on the pass,  esp. now w/o Sulo, that just the opposite may occur.  Naperville college may have their running game do better than their passing game.

Not sure I would characterize Augie's day through the air as "big."  Good... sure, but not a big day.  You do recall that Augie is now running the spread offense, not the double wing, right?  So their offensive output through the air will be more impressive than in years past.  

18-31 for 249 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT is a decent game.

I think you answered part of this already.  Wheaton completely shut down Augie's running attack, so Augie "was forced" to go by air (I still have trouble comprehending this after 2 decades of watching them run the double wing).  Augie had 29 rushes for 69 yards - a 1.1 yard per carry average.  Augie was forced into being one-dimensional.  A great position for any defense to be in.

It should also be pointed out that 55 of the 249 came on the 2nd play of the game before the flow of the game was established.  After that Augie had 194 yards passing for the remainder of the game.  Another 30 yards was on a broken play, scramble where the QB eventually found a receiver on a short pass that went for a TD (with an obvious chop block that resulted in a flag, which was unexplicably waved off).

Augie had some success passing, but I would hardly view it as a big day.  To be sure, NCC's offensive attack will be significantly more potent and will represent a much, much bigger challenge.  

I'm not downplaying the threat NCC's offense represents.  But I do believe Wheaton's defense is much better than we could have expected coming into the 09 season, and I believe some of NCC's crazy offensive stats are due to playing teams some teams who aren't as competitive as NCC will see from here on out.  ONU... good defense.  The rest... not so good (yes, that includes Carthage - 36.7 points a game is not up to Redmen standards by a long shot).

It'll be interesting to compare NCC offensive output from the past 5 games to what they generate over the next 4 (Wheaton, Augie, IWU and Elmhurst).  I don't expect to see 60+ points a game against that group.

[ncc58]

Any word on Gingg's status?

And why would I tell you, Mr. "NCC will score 53 on Wheaton"?    

You'll get nothing from me until you can see for yourself at kickoff.  I'm not giving away injury reports unless it is for players already known to be out for the season.

New Tradition only predicted 35 points for NCC. That was I who predicted 53 points (3 missed extra points).  I agree with you Mugsy though. I'm a little disappointed with my fellow Cardinals who have come on here and shared information on player status. It's never ok to share with your opponent but especially during the Wheatie Week. Unless, you're providing bogus data ...

[79jaybird]

Thank you NT and Midwest FB.  Yes, my wife (who's a UW Lacrosse alum) has tamed me down however it's more of knowing I'm going to be a pop soon, so my days of sipping the blue kool aid are less. 

Wish I could be at the Little Brass Bell game.  that one is shaping up to be a monumental game.

New Tradition- I saw a couple of posts back you are living outside of IL?  where you at?  What are you doing nowadays?  Hope all is well.  -M

[robertgoulet]

Any word on Gingg's status?

And why would I tell you, Mr. "NCC will score 53 on Wheaton"?    

You'll get nothing from me until you can see for yourself at kickoff.  I'm not giving away injury reports unless it is for players already known to be out for the season.

New Tradition only predicted 35 points for NCC. That was I who predicted 53 points (3 missed extra points).  I agree with you Mugsy though. I'm a little disappointed with my fellow Cardinals who have come on here and shared information on player status. It's never ok to share with your opponent but especially during the Wheatie Week. Unless, you're providing bogus data ...

I don't think whether or not injuries are shared with opponents should matter. It's pretty sad if you blame a loss on the opponents knowing someone was injured before you wanted them to.

A good team shouldn't care what the other team knows. Just go out and execute and do your job.

[Mugsy]

Any word on Gingg's status?

And why would I tell you, Mr. "NCC will score 53 on Wheaton"?    

You'll get nothing from me until you can see for yourself at kickoff.  I'm not giving away injury reports unless it is for players already known to be out for the season.

New Tradition only predicted 35 points for NCC. That was I who predicted 53 points (3 missed extra points).  I agree with you Mugsy though. I'm a little disappointed with my fellow Cardinals who have come on here and shared information on player status. It's never ok to share with your opponent but especially during the Wheatie Week. Unless, you're providing bogus data ...

DOH!  Right you are... it was midwestfb who thinks NCC's offense will run unabated over Wheaton.

Yeah... I can see sharing information on players who are clearly out for the season because it becomes common knowledge a bit more readily.  Coaches typically don't even deny it.  It is the more minor, nagging issues that have players questionable that I believe should be held closer to the vest.

[Mugsy]

Any word on Gingg's status?

And why would I tell you, Mr. "NCC will score 53 on Wheaton"?    

You'll get nothing from me until you can see for yourself at kickoff.  I'm not giving away injury reports unless it is for players already known to be out for the season.

New Tradition only predicted 35 points for NCC. That was I who predicted 53 points (3 missed extra points).  I agree with you Mugsy though. I'm a little disappointed with my fellow Cardinals who have come on here and shared information on player status. It's never ok to share with your opponent but especially during the Wheatie Week. Unless, you're providing bogus data ...

I don't think whether or not injuries are shared with opponents should matter. It's pretty sad if you blame a loss on the opponents knowing someone was injured before you wanted them to.

A good team shouldn't care what the other team knows. Just go out and execute and do your job.

True... but if a team finds out a key player with "game changing ability" will not be playing, it may affect how much time a coaching staff spends game planning to address the player.

If the Bengals were to find out that Cutler would not be playing for some reason this week, do you really think they would go through the same game preparation as if he were expected to play?

I'm thinking about this in the context of a coaching staff or player.  It is bogus if a fan uses it as an excuse, but this level of knowledge could impact how a coaching staff and players approach a game from a scheme/game planning perspective in SOME cases.

[robertgoulet]

Any word on Gingg's status?

And why would I tell you, Mr. "NCC will score 53 on Wheaton"?    

You'll get nothing from me until you can see for yourself at kickoff.  I'm not giving away injury reports unless it is for players already known to be out for the season.

New Tradition only predicted 35 points for NCC. That was I who predicted 53 points (3 missed extra points).  I agree with you Mugsy though. I'm a little disappointed with my fellow Cardinals who have come on here and shared information on player status. It's never ok to share with your opponent but especially during the Wheatie Week. Unless, you're providing bogus data ...

I don't think whether or not injuries are shared with opponents should matter. It's pretty sad if you blame a loss on the opponents knowing someone was injured before you wanted them to.

A good team shouldn't care what the other team knows. Just go out and execute and do your job.

True

You could have stopped right after your first word...I edited it for you.