FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mugsy]

To be completely honest, I actually enjoyed the banter back and forth...keep it up guys!

It is a alot more entertaining than the same old blah, blah, blah.

Thanks for using the Quote option.   

[NCF]

To be completely honest, I actually enjoyed the banter back and forth...keep it up guys!

It is a alot more entertaining than the same old blah, blah, blah.

Thanks for using the Quote option.   

Anything for you.

[robertgoulet]

So I scrolled through the last 4 pages excited because of the activity!!

and then I realized I won't get those minutes back..ever.  

Looking ahead (cause I love to do that)...if Ladd leads IWU to the CCIW championship and puts up decent stats doing it, regardless of whether NCC wins out, he will be pushing Fanthorpe for OPOY.    His total game stats are impressive with 16 TDs and 3 Ints 62% Completion Percentage, but missing a few CCIW games may end up hurting him.

I do believe Aaron is the best offensive player in the conference, but if he has to miss any more games and Ladd does well, it could be a close vote.

I also believe that the 1st 8-2 team to get a Pool C will come from the OAC, no doubt.

I don't think anyone has covered this, but if you remember a few years ago, North Central had to put up a certain amount of points against Augie if I remember right to win the AQ for the CCIW...are we setting this same scenario up this year?

The plaque for the alternates is in the ladies room.

[wheels81]

CCIW players of the week announced:

http://www.cciw.org/fall_football/FBPOW9_09.php

NAPERVILLE, Ill. -- Illinois Wesleyan's Kraig Ladd, Wheaton's Brian McMullen and Carthage's Tyler Funk were named College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin (CCIW) Football Players of the Week Monday.

McMullen, a sophomore safety from Oceanside, Calif., and Vista High School, recorded nine tackles, including four solo stops, in leading Wheaton to a 38-7 win over Elmhurst on Saturday. McMullen intercepted a Bluejay pass in the game and returned it 30 yards for a touchdown, and he also recorded two tackles for lost yardage (-2 yards). He is a Christian Formation & Ministry and Business/Economics major.

Wheaton has a nice, little pipeline to Oceanside and Vista HS for safeties ... McMullen is following (literally) Shane Woodward's footsteps.

A former Wheaton offensive lineman who played when I did in the late 80's, early 90's is the head wrestling coach at Vista.  I'm sure he is keeping an eye on anyone who would be a good fit for Wheaton from So-Cal.  It also helps to have players going back on breaks and in the summer to share about their positive experiences.

McMullen could be a really good safety.  Size (6'3" 215lbs), speed, and a nose for the ball.  Already a solid player as a sophomore.

He also had a forced fumble in the game as well.  Nice to see a sophomore step into the void. 
Another sophomore who has filled in is JD East at linebacker. He had a big game against Bethel (9 tackles, 3 for loss including a sack, forced fumble and fumble recovery)  and seemed to be more active earlier in season.  Maybe starters got healthy but at least looks good for Wheaton's future defense.

[Mugsy]

He also had a forced fumble in the game as well.  Nice to see a sophomore step into the void. 
Another sophomore who has filled in is JD East at linebacker. He had a big game against Bethel (9 tackles, 3 for loss including a sack, forced fumble and fumble recovery)  and seemed to be more active earlier in season.  Maybe starters got healthy but at least looks good for Wheaton's future defense.

In Swiders post-game interview, he mentioned the Wheaton LB's are banged up right now. 

Earlier in the season I thought this was Wheaton's deepest position.  There have been times this year where 3 of 4 LB's on the field have been sophomores and there has been only 1 senior on the field.  Overall with 6-7 sophomores seeing significant playing time and performing well, the future of the Wheaton defense does look promising.

[robertgoulet]

He also had a forced fumble in the game as well.  Nice to see a sophomore step into the void. 
Another sophomore who has filled in is JD East at linebacker. He had a big game against Bethel (9 tackles, 3 for loss including a sack, forced fumble and fumble recovery)  and seemed to be more active earlier in season.  Maybe starters got healthy but at least looks good for Wheaton's future defense.

In Swiders post-game interview, he mentioned the Wheaton LB's are banged up right now. 

Earlier in the season I thought this was Wheaton's deepest position.  There have been times this year where 3 of 4 LB's on the field have been sophomores and there has been only 1 senior on the field.  Overall with 6-7 sophomores seeing significant playing time and performing well, the future of the Wheaton defense does look promising.

quite making excuses Mugsy. Jeez.

[Mugsy]

He also had a forced fumble in the game as well.  Nice to see a sophomore step into the void. 
Another sophomore who has filled in is JD East at linebacker. He had a big game against Bethel (9 tackles, 3 for loss including a sack, forced fumble and fumble recovery)  and seemed to be more active earlier in season.  Maybe starters got healthy but at least looks good for Wheaton's future defense.

In Swiders post-game interview, he mentioned the Wheaton LB's are banged up right now. 

Earlier in the season I thought this was Wheaton's deepest position.  There have been times this year where 3 of 4 LB's on the field have been sophomores and there has been only 1 senior on the field.  Overall with 6-7 sophomores seeing significant playing time and performing well, the future of the Wheaton defense does look promising.

quite making excuses Mugsy. Jeez.

LOL...

[New Tradition]

Newcardfan- I won't give up that title so easily. To quote one of my favorite movie lines "you called down the Thunder well now you got it".

NCC was playing without their 4 senior Captains and the 4 best players at their respective positions in the cciw las saturday. While I think what they have done with their backups is admirable the 4 backups to those plays aren't the best players in the conference at their positions. Lest you forget the wheaton/ncc game was 7-7 at half and Fanthorpe went on to earn player of the week honors with his 2nd half performance (which also secured the game). I think its pretty simple....if Fanthorpe plays in the second half last saturday NCC wins that game easily. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delirious.

Usee...wow, glad to see you back! K+ for the appearance! 

[New Tradition]

Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Man in Black: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

And K+ to you, sir, for the Princess Bride reference.

[ncc58]

I don't think anyone has covered this, but if you remember a few years ago, North Central had to put up a certain amount of points against Augie if I remember right to win the AQ for the CCIW...are we setting this same scenario up this year?

No, there would have to be a three way tie to go to the points differential (against the tied teams) and that is almost impossible.

There can be  only two teams with one conference loss.

Either Wheaton or IWU will have two conference losses after this weekend. The two one loss teams would be the winner of WC-IWU and NCC (if they win out).

The wildest scenario would result in four two loss teams (NCC, WC, IWU, AC). The tiebreaker in that case is a jamboree.  

(Actually, IWU is the AQ if there is a four way tie.)

[FormerCard]

I don't think anyone has covered this, but if you remember a few years ago, North Central had to put up a certain amount of points against Augie if I remember right to win the AQ for the CCIW...are we setting this same scenario up this year?

No, there would have to be a three way tie to go to the points differential (against the tied teams) and that is almost impossible.

There can be  only two teams with one conference loss.

Either Wheaton or IWU will have two conference losses after this weekend. The two one loss teams would be the winner of WC-IWU and NCC (if they win out).

The wildest scenario would result in four two loss teams (NCC, WC, IWU, AC). The tiebreaker in that case is a jamboree. 

(Actually, IWU is the AQ if there is a four way tie.)

So if NCC wins out, and Weslayen wins out, IWU gets the AQ, and North Central would be looking for a Pool C.  If NCC wins out and Wheaton wina out, then North Central gets the AQ and Wheaton looks for a Pool C with a 9-1 record.

Our best chance of getting two CCIW teams in is if North Central takes care of business and Wheaton is able to beat IWU and win out. 

I know the Titans arent hoping for this scenario, but most NCC and Wheaton Fans probably are.

P.S.   Stewie has retired and it is now Johnny Drama's world.

Finish Strong North Central.

[Mr. Ypsi]

FormerCard,

Your analysis is mostly correct (though I'd suspect that Wheaton fans hope for a win and a Cardinal loss, so they win the title outright! ). 

Even though a Wheaton win is probably the only way the CCIW gets two teams in (any 2-loss team is very iffy), and even though I am very much a CCIW fan when the non-conference or post-season are involved, you are NOT gonna get me to root for the Titans to roll over!  Ain't gonna happen!

[FormerCard]

FormerCard,

Your analysis is mostly correct (though I'd suspect that Wheaton fans hope for a win and a Cardinal loss, so they win the title outright! ). 

Yes, you are correct, but hopefully that wont happen

[iwu4ever]

I think IWU has the best defense in the conference but I don't think Wheatons and NCC's are too far behind. I've watched Fanthorpe dismantle every CCIW team over the last 2 yrs so you can think what you want but there is no way IWU wins with Fanthorpe playing 4 Quarters

My sentiments exactly! 

"no way IWU wins w/ Fanthorpe playing 4 qtrs"?
couldn't let this one go...1st half w/ Fanthorpe QBing 17 passes called - 3 sacks, 4 scrambles (net 0 yards on 10 rushes) and 8-10. 1 TD after a fumble on IWU's 19 (1 play drive).
Stanek 22 passes called  - NO sacks (3 throw aways to avoid sacks), 2 kills to stop clock, 1 Hail Mary, and numerous drops, thus 8-22.  Led NCC on 2 long scoring drives...QB play did not effect the outcome of the game...it was the OL and WRs and they played the whole game. The young kid did a superior job and the "savior" would not have made a difference on this Saturday.

[usee]

I think IWU has the best defense in the conference but I don't think Wheatons and NCC's are too far behind. I've watched Fanthorpe dismantle every CCIW team over the last 2 yrs so you can think what you want but there is no way IWU wins with Fanthorpe playing 4 Quarters

My sentiments exactly! 

"no way IWU wins w/ Fanthorpe playing 4 qtrs"?
couldn't let this one go...1st half w/ Fanthorpe QBing 17 passes called - 3 sacks, 4 scrambles (net 0 yards on 10 rushes) and 8-10. 1 TD after a fumble on IWU's 19 (1 play drive).
Stanek 22 passes called  - NO sacks (3 throw aways to avoid sacks), 2 kills to stop clock, 1 Hail Mary, and numerous drops, thus 8-22.  Led NCC on 2 long scoring drives...QB play did not effect the outcome of the game...it was the OL and WRs and they played the whole game. The young kid did a superior job and the "savior" would not have made a difference on this Saturday.

IWU4Ever-
Thanks for your first post. I think you are making 2 points. 1-IWU harassed Fanthorpe and made it tough to operate in the first half. In fact this pressure resulted in him not finishing the game. 2-Stanek wasn't sacked (i.e. better protection) in the 2nd half.

First, let's clarify a couple of facts. In the first half NCC had 25 rushes and 13 passes ( Fanthorpe carried the ball 7 times as a runner for a net of +22 yds. He was 8-10 passing for 125 yds, 1 TD, and was sacked 3 times for -22 yds (thus your net 0 yds).

Next, I'll make the point that vs Wheaton the score was 7-7 at half (just like NCC) and Fanthorpe was 10-19 passing was sacked once and had run the ball three times for 19 yds. In the second half he was 6-9 passing and ran the ball 9 times for 69 yds. He was named player of the week based on his second half performance.

I will also point out that Sean Norris for Wheaton was sacked 4 times against Bethel and hit a number of other times but drove his team for the winning score, throwing a TD pass on the last play of the game to win. Against Augie Norris was sacked 5 times and hit a dozen other times and threw a TD pass with 19 seconds left to win the game.

I think it's fair to assume based on Fanthorpe's 1st half performance, his statistics per game over this season (67% completions, 186 efficiency) and his history of winning games in the second half as a POY player that he may have fared a little better than the freshman Stanek in the 2nd half given that Stanek wasn't sacked. I think it is also clear that just because someone is sacked it doesn't affect their ability to have an impact in a close game.

Credit IWU for knocking Fanthorpe out of the game. That is why they won in my opinion.